Brexit

Seems like the EU want to leave the UK with no other choice than hard Brexit. No chance of the UK taxpayer being on the hook for 100 billion.

I think the idea is you go so high that when it's halved it looks like a good deal. I mean originally the sum was around 50 billion. The EU looks like they won because they've got whatever back, and the UK government can come away saying thay bartered them down by over 60% or whatever.

Nobody on either side expects to receive or pay 100 billion; they're just pulling figures out of their arse. The EU loses if we pay nothing, the UK loses if we walk away with nothing. It's all a nonsense.

Grumpy David wrote:Seems like the EU want to leave the UK with no other choice than hard Brexit. No chance of the UK taxpayer being on the hook for 100 billion.

Yeah it's definitely all the EU's fault that we are looking at hard Brexit.

The EU haven't even mentioned a figure yet, but the British press are already screaming at how the EU are punishing us. It's a very easy tactic that the Tories are playing to try and show the country how tough they are and that it's all the EU's fault.

Grumpy David wrote:Seems like the EU want to leave the UK with no other choice than hard Brexit. No chance of the UK taxpayer being on the hook for 100 billion.

They want us to forget the whole thing.

Trying to make it SO BAD to leave means staying is the only choice. Even with a hard brexit we'll still have to pay our debt. I hope to god somehow the Lib Dems win and we forget the whole damn thing.

Qikz wrote:

Grumpy David wrote:Seems like the EU want to leave the UK with no other choice than hard Brexit. No chance of the UK taxpayer being on the hook for 100 billion.

They want us to forget the whole thing.

Trying to make it SO BAD to leave means staying is the only choice. Even with a hard brexit we'll still have to pay our debt. I hope to god somehow the Lib Dems win and we forget the whole damn thing.

While I don’t believe the 100billion figure (that comes from the FT and David Davies, not from the EU), I don’t think the EU will be mentioning figures in order to try and make us stay, they will be doing it based on what they think we owe. We have a vast number of commitments in Europe and they will want payment for those. Also they will be wanting to show everyone else in Europe just what a bad idea it is to leave.

I thought David Davies said he did not intend to pay anything to the EU. So we are now?

I think we can all sleep safe in our beds knowing David Davies won't be paying anything. You, me, my kids, your kids etc on the other hand will be paying plenty.

One article I read seems to be suggesting that he implied we won't be paying anything if we exit without a deal.

A highly dubious position.

May's been setting up for it with "No Deal is Better than a bad deal" though

You have to hand it to the Tories, they have come up with a brilliant idea. Walk away without paying.

Why have none of us ever thought of this before? Take out a bank loan and then walk away without paying them back! Do the same with credit cards! Sign up to clubs and gyms and then when you are bored with them, just walk away! Order a meal at a restaurant and then if they try and give you the bill just say “NO DEAL IS BETTER THAN YOUR BAD DEAL mummy strawberry floaters!” and walk out.

Why do any of us pay for anything when we could just walk away? It shows just how stupid everyone is compared to the pure genius at Tory high command.

I am absolutely certain that there are no downsides at all to just walking away without paying.

Theresa May accuses EU of trying to affect UK election - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39787353

And here.....we....go.

Squinty wrote:Theresa May accuses EU of trying to affect UK election - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39787353

And here.....we....go.

I am just waiting for her to scream "FAKE NEWS!" the next time she is asked a question that she doesn't like.

She might be losing her marbles.

At least when May complains that the UK is being misrepresented in the continental press, British newspapers are being very even handed when reporting on the EU.

Moggy wrote:You have to hand it to the Tories, they have come up with a brilliant idea. Walk away without paying.

Why have none of us ever thought of this before? Take out a bank loan and then walk away without paying them back! Do the same with credit cards! Sign up to clubs and gyms and then when you are bored with them, just walk away! Order a meal at a restaurant and then if they try and give you the bill just say “NO DEAL IS BETTER THAN YOUR BAD DEAL mummy strawberry floaters!” and walk out.

Why do any of us pay for anything when we could just walk away? It shows just how stupid everyone is compared to the pure genius at Tory high command.

I am absolutely certain that there are no downsides at all to just walking away without paying.

Actually, Hitler did this first (just cancelled debts from WWI). I'd be interested to know if there is a legal agreement somewhere that states what fees should be incurred if a member leaves the EU. If such a thing exists there should be no reason to argue.

Death's Head wrote:

Moggy wrote:You have to hand it to the Tories, they have come up with a brilliant idea. Walk away without paying.

Why have none of us ever thought of this before? Take out a bank loan and then walk away without paying them back! Do the same with credit cards! Sign up to clubs and gyms and then when you are bored with them, just walk away! Order a meal at a restaurant and then if they try and give you the bill just say “NO DEAL IS BETTER THAN YOUR BAD DEAL mummy strawberry floaters!” and walk out.

Why do any of us pay for anything when we could just walk away? It shows just how stupid everyone is compared to the pure genius at Tory high command.

I am absolutely certain that there are no downsides at all to just walking away without paying.

Actually, Hitler did this first (just cancelled debts from WWI). I'd be interested to know if there is a legal agreement somewhere that states what fees should be incurred if a member leaves the EU. If such a thing exists there should be no reason to argue.

Well if Hitler did it...

Ho boy. The comments on the BBC article about Theresa May's speech are genuinely terrifying. People are actually seriously mentioning WW2

Im still very confused by all this Brexit bill talk. all I see is talk of massive sums yet, no actual demand from the EU with any breakdown of what it's actually for.

I'm pretty confident that we would owe something. There must be some causes and projects that we signed up to. Also remaining a member of the EHIC scheme, there must be a cost to remaining a member of that for example. But I can't see where sums of this size are coming from.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Im still very confused by all this Brexit bill talk. all I see is talk of massive sums yet, no actual demand from the EU with any breakdown of what it's actually for.

I'm pretty confident that we would owe something. There must be some causes and projects that we signed up to. Also remaining a member of the EHIC scheme, there must be a cost to remaining a member of that for example. But I can't see where sums of this size are coming from.

I question whether there is anything official as otherwise this would be straightforward "the exit fee is X, pay up". If the fee keeps changing, clearly there is no documented exit fee.

Death's Head wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Im still very confused by all this Brexit bill talk. all I see is talk of massive sums yet, no actual demand from the EU with any breakdown of what it's actually for.

I'm pretty confident that we would owe something. There must be some causes and projects that we signed up to. Also remaining a member of the EHIC scheme, there must be a cost to remaining a member of that for example. But I can't see where sums of this size are coming from.

I question whether there is anything official as otherwise this would be straightforward "the exit fee is X, pay up". If the fee keeps changing, clearly there is no documented exit fee.

From what I can tell there's no 'exit fee' written in any EU law. However what the EU want is a payment, for what I'm not sure. It's been suggested that it's to cover things we've committed to (not read what) and to make up a shortage in funding for their over all budget due to us pulling out of the EU.

If any of it is for the latter then I don't agree with you pay that part. It's clear in UK law that any member can leave if it wants. You shouldn't have to contribute to other countries after you've left.

I do agree that if we've committed to assisting with the funding for a particular project then we should continue to contribute. I also agree that we should pay for anything that we still want from the EU, ie access to the free market, the EHIC scheme etc.

What I don't like is all this talk of just a massive lump sum before they will even consider discussing anything with us. What the hell is this money for?