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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
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80%
Leave the European Union
57
20%
 
Total votes: 279
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PostRe: Brexit
by Hexx » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:14 pm

BID0 wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:
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Photek wrote:You'll be alright Mogster.


Actually I will not be, my wife and child are not going to have EU citizenship. I might still have the option in the future, but they probably will not.

And even if my entire family were alright, I would be furious that the rights of so many are being taken away for no reasons other than stupidity, racism or to help make rich banana splits richer.


Broom 'em, get yourself a nice Irish wife.


Why would I get a wife that looks like Photek, instead of heading towards Eastern Europe? :datass:

Irish lasses are spicy though :wub:



Ew sounds like the need a wash and some vagisil

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PostRe: Brexit
by Photek » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:20 pm

Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Photek wrote:You'll be alright Mogster.


Actually I will not be, my wife and child are not going to have EU citizenship. I might still have the option in the future, but they probably will not.

And even if my entire family were alright, I would be furious that the rights of so many are being taken away for no reasons other than stupidity, racism or to help make rich banana splits richer.


Broom 'em, get yourself a nice Irish wife.


Why would I get a wife that looks like Photek, instead of heading towards Eastern Europe? :datass:

*resists urge to post my conchita wurst pic*

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:25 pm

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Moggy wrote:It’s a massive massive thing that Leave voters have taken away from UK only citizens. And one that I don’t think gets talked about enough.

I know some older Leave voters that have always said they would like to move to Spain when they retire. They don’t seem to be able to understand that they have probably taken that option away from themselves. :lol:

Well it'll depend how rich they are. If they currently, or by the time they retire, own their own home, and more than likely have savings/pension on top of that, they'll have minimal issues going to live in Spain. Or Florida. It's always one or the other with Britons.


Well the point at the moment is we have no idea if there will be minimal issues or not. The rights of EU citizens in the UK and British citizens in the EU at the moment is uncertain, the rights of people who might want to move in 10-20 years time is completely unknown.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:29 pm

Hexx wrote:I thought Moggy Jr would get Citizenship as part of his bloodline?


Nope.

You can claim Irish citizenship through a parent who is a citizen, but only if they were a citizen before your birth.

For me, I could claim as my grandfather was born in Northern Ireland. This meant that my dad was automatically an Irish citizen and so I could claim through him.

I did that after my son was born though and so his father wasn’t Irish and his grandfather wasn’t born in Ireland. If I had registered as an Irish citizen before my son was born then he would have been eligible. Until Brexit happened I wasn’t too bothered about being British or Irish so I had never gone out of my way to look at claiming Irish citizenship.

It sucks, but I guess they have to have a cut off at some point.

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PostRe: Brexit
by gaminglegend » Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:17 pm

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gaminglegend wrote:Unrelated to the topic discussed recently but while watching a program about people abroad made me so angry.

I'm in my twenties and the chance to live abroad in a warm EU country has been removed from my life primarily in my opinion due to unethical and mostly scaremongering propaganda by people who won't have to live with the decision. Thanks for that.

Edit - I mean the ease of moving. Of course it's still a possibility but when the new visas end up coming into place it's a lot less likely


It’s a massive massive thing that Leave voters have taken away from UK only citizens. And one that I don’t think gets talked about enough.

I know some older Leave voters that have always said they would like to move to Spain when they retire. They don’t seem to be able to understand that they have probably taken that option away from themselves. :lol:


I also find it baffling that they won't give EU citizens here at the moment the same right as the UK citizens, it's insane, I mean you expect it from the EU so why not both ways? To be honest I wish the EU would say strawberry float you UK, take your citizens back, see the massive uproar when everyone living abroad has to move back and let Theresa May deal with it.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:58 pm

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gaminglegend wrote:I also find it baffling that they won't give EU citizens here at the moment the same right as the UK citizens, it's insane, I mean you expect it from the EU so why not both ways? To be honest I wish the EU would say strawberry float you UK, take your citizens back, see the massive uproar when everyone living abroad has to move back and let Theresa May deal with it.


Of course they don't have the same rights. It's not baffling at all.


For normal people it's baffling.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:19 pm

What's the most pressing issue after Brexit?

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Yep, nothing to do with racism at all. :lol:

To be fair though, maybe the voters were Muslim and are keen on moving forward with that idea? ;)

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PostRe: Brexit
by captain red dog » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:34 pm

Moggy wrote:What's the most pressing issue after Brexit?

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Yep, nothing to do with racism at all. :lol:

To be fair though, maybe the voters were Muslim and are keen on moving forward with that idea? ;)

You have confused ideology with race.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:35 pm

captain red dog wrote:
Moggy wrote:What's the most pressing issue after Brexit?

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Yep, nothing to do with racism at all. :lol:

To be fair though, maybe the voters were Muslim and are keen on moving forward with that idea? ;)

You have confused ideology with race.


Of course, it's nothing to do with race at all is it?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:39 pm

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PostRe: Brexit
by captain red dog » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:41 pm

Moggy wrote:
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Moggy wrote:What's the most pressing issue after Brexit?

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Yep, nothing to do with racism at all. :lol:

To be fair though, maybe the voters were Muslim and are keen on moving forward with that idea? ;)

You have confused ideology with race.


Of course, it's nothing to do with race at all is it?

No it isn't. Islam is an ideology. Muslims are often confused as a race.

On another note ref your child, won't he/she be able to apply for Irish citizenship based on you being an Irish citizen? I thought the rule was that your children would be Irish citizens if you were a citizen before they were born, but they could still apply when they are older based on their father being Irish?

Also, if you now had another child, they would be considered Irish and wouldn't that grant some rights to your first born too in terms of immediate family having citizenship?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:43 pm

Another child could become Irish, my son would not be eligible.

And of course Muslims aren't a race. The racist types rarely seem to realise that though, it's just so handy for them to avoid calls of racism by picking on a religion mostly followed by brown people isn't it?

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PostRe: Brexit
by captain red dog » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:47 pm

Moggy wrote:Another child could become Irish, my son would not be eligible.

Generally feel for you there mate. Might disagree on the Brexit issue but that is generally frustrating that you can't share nationality with your first born. It seems mighty unfair. Are there really no options for him?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:52 pm

captain red dog wrote:
Moggy wrote:Another child could become Irish, my son would not be eligible.

Generally feel for you there mate. Might disagree on the Brexit issue but that is generally frustrating that you can't share nationality with your first born. It seems mighty unfair. Are there really no options for him?


We could move to Northern Ireland and we could apply for Irish citizenship after 3-5 years.

So no, not really any options. ;)

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PostRe: Brexit
by Blue Eyes » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:25 pm

If anyone still thinks Brexit is a good idea they are a banana split.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:47 pm

Blue Eyes wrote:If anyone still thinks Brexit is a good idea they are a banana split.


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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:58 am

Farm subsidies will have to be earned rather than just handed out in future, the Environment Secretary Michael Gove is expected to say in a speech later.

Farmers will get only get taxpayers’ cash if they agree to protect the environment and enhance rural life, he will say.

The move is part of what he calls his vision for a "Green Brexit".

Farmers’ leaders were expecting a change, but want the total cash available to farms to stay the same.
The current system which pays farmers based on the amount of land they own will go after Brexit, Mr Gove will promise.

He is expected to say: “Leaving the EU gives us a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to reform how we care for our land, our rivers and our seas, how we recast our ambition for our country’s environment, and the planet. In short, it means delivering a Green Brexit.

“The Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) rewards size of land-holding ahead of good environmental practice, puts resources in the hands of the already wealthy, and encourages patterns of land use which are wasteful of natural resources.”

The issue was highlighted last year when BBC News revealed that taxpayers are paying more than £400,000 a year to subsidise a farm where a billionaire Saudi prince breeds racehorses.

The Newmarket farm of Khalid Abdullah al Saud - owner of the legendary horse Frankel - is among the top recipients of farm grants, along with the Queen.

Environmentalists will applaud the promise of change; they blame the CAP for the huge loss of wildlife in the British countryside.

The question will be what detailed policy takes its place.

The government has promised to keep overall payments at the same level until 2022.

The Tenant Farmers' Association wants to keep the £3bn total subsidy after that, but would like the cash to be split between enhancing the environment, creating infrastructure to develop farm businesses, and promoting British food.

The Country Landowners Association also accept the need for reform and are launching their plan for a Land Management Contract.

Their president Ross Murray said: “Payments are necessary because there is vital work to be done to manage soils and preserve the productive capacity of the land; to plant the trees we need; to clean and store water; to support the farming practices that make up our iconic landscapes or to make it possible for people to enjoy our beautiful natural spaces.

“These responsibilities bring costs and burdens that other businesses don’t have to bear.”

Mr Gove’s speech will make similar noises. He will say: “There are very good reasons why we should provide support for agriculture. Seventy per cent of our land is farmed - beautiful landscape has not happened by accident but has been actively managed.

“Agriculture is an industry more susceptible to outside shocks and unpredictable events - whether it’s the weather or disease. So financial assistance and mechanisms which can smooth out the vicissitudes farmers face make sense.

He will also express a desire to protect the “human ecology” of Britain’s highlands, where farming without subsidy is impossible.

This won’t please radical environmentalists, who want Mr Gove to save money (and in their view enhance the environment) by letting sheep farming wither, and allowing the uplands to revert to natural forest.

More at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-40673559

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:52 am

Why do LBC allow this man to continue to lie and spread mistruths?

twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/888100975596232704



None of that appears in Article 50. :fp:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lex-Man » Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:12 am

Moggy wrote:Why do LBC allow this man to continue to lie and spread mistruths?

twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/888100975596232704



None of that appears in Article 50. :fp:


It's point 3 of article 50:

"The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period."

Although I don't think it means what Farage says it means.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:24 am

lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:Why do LBC allow this man to continue to lie and spread mistruths?

twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/888100975596232704



None of that appears in Article 50. :fp:


It's point 3 of article 50:

"The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period."

Although I don't think it means what Farage says it means.


What you wrote there is not what is on the paper that Farage is holding up.

Article 50 in full:

1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.

A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.

http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-li ... le-50.html


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