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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
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Leave the European Union
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20%
 
Total votes: 279
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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:45 pm

Moggy wrote:
Squinty wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFceZ0hAAds&sns=em

:dread: :lol:

This song is so gooseberry fool it's amazing.


That’s one of the younger Brexit voters.


It's like a really bad dance song from the 90's.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Denster » Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:53 pm

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Denster wrote:These last few pages!

:lol:


I actually don't find it very funny. My partner is scared shitless she will deported just as she's beginning to make a life here. I'm likely to lose my job when we actually leave and the last of the EU science funding dries up. I'm trying to get some European languages up to scratch because I have no idea when or if those hammers will fall or where we'll be able to go when it does.

It's all well and good voting on 'principles' like Lucien, or sitting on the fence and laughing about it all like you, when you have no skin in the game.


strawberry floating amen.

I'm not sitting on the fence. Nor am I laughing at your plight.

I think you're looking at worst case scenarios and being massively pessimistic though.
As for having no skin in the game. Are you seriously saying you and your partner are going to be begging in the streets? It she's going to be dragged off to Europe?

That sort of ludicrous doom mongering is doing you no good. No doubt there's going to be impact and a negative one.
Please stop assuming I don't care just because I don't care as much as you or have accepted it with greater equanimity. What is actually happening in this thread is that we are going round in circles while we wait for things to actually start moving.
The actual difference is that I'm keen for it to do so. It's uncertainty that is causing distress.

I'm a public servant who recognised pay freezes would be longer than stated and acted accordingly - gaining promotions and clearing all of my debt over the last few years.
That's why I'm not as worried. You'll have to make adjustments but what they are is still very much as the planning stage.

Both you and DML should try be less self indulgent in your woe is me and financial ruin prophesying. Otherwise your little better than the wildly optimistic leave idiots!

Amen?

Please. :roll:

But it isn't getting sorted soon so this thread and its cyclical debate is just going to trundle on. That's why I'm amused. Although bemused is more accurate.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Denster » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:12 pm

Edited.

Remove perceived piss take post.

Back to Brexit debate.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Karl » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:13 pm

Denster wrote:Are you seriously saying you and your partner are going to be begging in the streets? It she's going to be dragged off to Europe?

There's a decent chance I will lose my job, as the science sector relies on EU money. Meanwhile, the Home Office is preparing deportation letters and doing all it can to make residency applications difficult. So I don't think I'm facing homelessness, but I could be facing joblessness and the deportation of my partner.

Denster wrote:I'm a public servant who recognised pay freezes would be longer than stated and acted accordingly - gaining promotions and clearing all of my debt over the last few years.
That's why I'm not as worried. You'll have to make adjustments but what they are is still very much as the planning stage.

Will all respect to you mate, not everyone can just get a bunch of promotions to see themselves through. If I could work really hard and make Associate Professor next year I would! But I can't, because it doesn't work like that.

I am making plans - plans to move to a different country! - but it's still terrifying and frustrating.

Denster wrote:This isn't a discussion thread. It's s Brexit referendum PTSD support group. Hi I'm Karl and I'm worried about Brexit

I don't think this is very funny. Again, for a few people on here including myself it's a genuine life-tearing-apart and I'm kind of sad you've chosen to poke fun at me for that.

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PostRe: Brexit
by DML » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:13 pm

Its not doom mongering. Its absolutely inevitable. Maybe thats why you don't understand our standpoint? Its not about 'thinking' something will happen, it absolutely must happen. Its economically impossible that we aren't badly affected.

I don't know how severe the EU restrictions will be, but I know prices will go up, life will be more expensive and I'm already feeling the pinch as it is. The softer the Brexit is, the better it is for everyone, so we will continue to moan on. Funnily enough, we saw in Florence the first admission from the Tory party that they need to use a softer Brexit. If we'd Remainers all of shut up, we'd be heading for no deal or at best an incredibly harsh Brexit. I'll carry on thank you very much. It isn't making me angrier talking about it, I actually find it very cathartic to chat it out, and I'm interested how the Conservatives tactically play their role considering their largely impossible position. Sure, its one they basically created...but impossible nonetheless. I FIND THAT INTERESTING. You always read my messages as a moan and thats really not always the case. I see it as a catastrophe sure, but I do find the intricacies of it rather intriguing, and what it means for the future of politics in this country.

If it annoys you, *shrug* - the block button is over there. Mines on for you for when I can't be bothered with your 'Chris Moyles of GRCade' schtick so feel free to block in return. I'm not going to stop telling people Brexit is a nonsense, because it quite frankly is, and every expert indicates as such. This is not a Millennium Bug situation where people are over-egging a pudding only for nothing to happen, its quite frankly already happening, and I know a lot of people already being affected. Only today one of my family friends lost their full time job down to Brexit cuts, but no sure - 'Chris Moyles' keeps talking bollocks so its all probably going to be all okay. ;)

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PostRe: Brexit
by Denster » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:33 pm

I am not joking. Mildly satirising if anything.

Hime wrote:This is nonsense, Photek finally posts something factual and he gets burned. ;)
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PostRe: Brexit
by Denster » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:44 pm

Oh your famous block button DML?

Feel free.
I'm not mocking you KP at all. If it genuinely affects you as bad as that - I'd be gutted for you. If I'm flippant it's in response to continued posts of the ones I describe. I'm not looking to belittle or downplay that.

As for DML - moyes thing. I don't put you on block or threaten to because this is a discussion thread. If I did - I'd get your arguments from others less obtuse and more articulate but I'd miss that unique DML flavour.

Your use of the block button as a threat or gambit is hysterical. Like anyone could care less.

Apologies in here rather than PM KP
If your plight is that bad I didn't know and wouldn't want you to think I'd want to make comedic mileage from it.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Karl » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:48 pm

No worries mate, it's OK. Hopefully nothing bad happens, I keep my job and she gets residency...... and then you can dig this post up and laugh at it all you want! ;)

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PostRe: Brexit
by Denster » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:51 pm

I've edited the support group post.

For KP


Not Donald ML and his fire and fury ban button.

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PostRe: Brexit
by DML » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:26 pm

Bless. ;)

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PostRe: Brexit
by Pancake » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:59 pm

Whatever else, it will be fascinating to look back on Brexit in 20-30 years time and analyse the outcomes. I do think the reality will be less severe than many people are worried about but given everything is still so uncertain you can hardly blame people for being concerned, especially if they are likely to be directly affected.

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:18 pm

BBC News wrote:Pro-EU Labour MPs have expressed their anger after no Brexit motions were chosen to be voted on at party conference.

Instead, delegates chose Grenfell Tower, rail, growth and investment, public sector pay, workers' rights, the NHS, housing and social care.

Party sources said there would still be a debate and vote on the subject.

But there will be no vote on contentious issues like single market membership.

The Jeremy Corbyn-supporting Momentum group had urged its members not to support a conference motion on Brexit, emailing members with an alternative list of subjects.

After the eight subjects chosen by local members and trade union members were announced, several Labour MPs tweeted their displeasure.

Former shadow chancellor Chris Leslie said the outcome was "utterly ridiculous" and former culture secretary Ben Bradshaw tweeted: "Keeping #Brexit, biggest issue of our time, off our #lab17 agenda is silly and undermines the claim that we are listening to our members."

Chuka Umunna, of the pro-EU Open Britain campaign, tweeted: "I can't believe no Brexit related motion is being debated at #Lab17 tomorrow. We should not be ducking this debate - we should be leading it."

Labour said choosing which issues to prioritise for debate was the choice of delegates.

"Brexit will be debated by conference in a session set aside for Brexit and international issues on Monday morning," the party added.

However, this will focus on approving existing policy, with none of the separate resolutions put forward by delegates on Brexit selected.

One source told BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg it was a "swindle" to suggest Brexit would be properly debated and discussed at the conference.

Liberal Democrat shadow Brexit secretary Tom Brake said: "Corbyn's anti-EU wing of the Labour party have won the day.

"Labour have again shown themselves to be neither here nor there, unable to come up with a coherent policy for fear of their own internal politics spilling out into the public."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41378928

You could replace the government with Labour and you'd still have roughly the same problems with Brexit, because both parties aren't united on the matter, outside of the end game of actually leaving.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Denster » Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:48 am

DML wrote:Bless. ;)

You even use my retort.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.


:wub:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Tafdolphin » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:57 am

I'm in a not dissimilar situation to Karl and suzz, although perhaps not as serious as both, as my missus is French. I'm currently living out here in Lyon boning up on the language and trying to find in-roads for jobs as we're too scared to make any long term plans in the UK. That, and it's no longer a country I want to be associated with. This whole damnable situation has turned it into an angry bickering little nowhere which will soon be of no import to anyone, a country a million miles from the flawed but progressive one I grew up in.

Characters like Lucien and Denster make me incredibly angry, it's probably the most hostile I've felt towards any board members both here and on GamesRadar, but I also recognise that engaging with them is pointless. Karl's flawless logic and DML's justified anger are met with goalpost shifting and shit-eating glibness (not to mention a stunning lack of empathy) so what's the point? I'd urge anyone to just ignore them at this point. Think of them as Cal-lite, without his inherent charm.

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PostRe: Brexit
by captain red dog » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:35 am

It's interesting to me that nobody here seems to feel such raw anger at those that voted in Tony Blair and by association backed his viscous, murderous assault on the middle east (regretfully I am one of those voters), or holds a similar grudge against people who voted for the Lib Dems only to see them go into coalition with the Tories and inflict crippling austerity onto the poor (fortunately I wasn't one of those voters).

People on these forums seem to have voted with the best intentions in mind and I think we should stick to that basic premise before getting hostile with people. Denster actually voted to Remain didn't he?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:41 am

captain red dog wrote:It's interesting to me that nobody here seems to feel such raw anger at those that voted in Tony Blair and by association backed his viscous, murderous assault on the middle east (regretfully I am one of those voters), or holds a similar grudge against people who voted for the Lib Dems only to see them go into coalition with the Tories and inflict crippling austerity onto the poor (fortunately I wasn't one of those voters).


Did you continue to vote Labour while Blair was in power and after the Iraq invasion?

The reason nobody in this thread is angry about Blair or the Lib Dems is because this is a Brexit thread, not an Iraq War or ConDem coalition thread.

Also, those two things are in the past, Brexit is happening now.

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PostRe: Brexit
by captain red dog » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:46 am

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captain red dog wrote:It's interesting to me that nobody here seems to feel such raw anger at those that voted in Tony Blair and by association backed his viscous, murderous assault on the middle east (regretfully I am one of those voters), or holds a similar grudge against people who voted for the Lib Dems only to see them go into coalition with the Tories and inflict crippling austerity onto the poor (fortunately I wasn't one of those voters).


Did you continue to vote Labour while Blair was in power and after the Iraq invasion?

The reason nobody in this thread is angry about Blair or the Lib Dems is because this is a Brexit thread, not an Iraq War or ConDem coalition thread.

Also, those two things are in the past, Brexit is happening now.

This is the first occasion on Grcade I can remember where people have been blamed for things that haven't happened yet based on voting with the best intentions.

I don't blame voters for Blairs murderous assault on Muslims, and I don't blame voters for the Lib Dems assault on the poor. Why is it suddenly acceptable to blame people for Brexit scenarios which haven't happened yet?

By all means continue to demonise people on here, but it won't lead to any kind of productive discussion or debate. What do you expect Denster to do, apologise for deportations that haven't happened or that he thinks are very unlikely to happen?

Edit: Also those two things are not in the past. Austerity is still killing the poor and bombs are still being reigned down upon the middle east.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Tafdolphin » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:49 am

EDIT: Not worth it.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:52 am

captain red dog wrote:
Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:It's interesting to me that nobody here seems to feel such raw anger at those that voted in Tony Blair and by association backed his viscous, murderous assault on the middle east (regretfully I am one of those voters), or holds a similar grudge against people who voted for the Lib Dems only to see them go into coalition with the Tories and inflict crippling austerity onto the poor (fortunately I wasn't one of those voters).


Did you continue to vote Labour while Blair was in power and after the Iraq invasion?

The reason nobody in this thread is angry about Blair or the Lib Dems is because this is a Brexit thread, not an Iraq War or ConDem coalition thread.

Also, those two things are in the past, Brexit is happening now.

This is the first occasion on Grcade I can remember where people have been blamed for things that haven't happened yet based on voting with the best intentions.

I don't blame voters for Blairs murderous assault on Muslims, and I don't blame voters for the Lib Dems assault on the poor. Why is it suddenly acceptable to blame people for Brexit scenarios which haven't happened yet?

By all means continue to demonise people on here, but it won't lead to any kind of productive discussion or debate. What do you expect Denster to do, apologise for deportations that haven't happened or that he thinks are very unlikely to happen?


The strawberry float are you talking about? My post didn’t demonise anyone, it explained why people in this thread are not talking about Blair and the LibDems. I didn’t take a pop at anyone or even mention Denster.

It almost sounds like you are in full on defence mode because you know your position is not going to be on the right side of history. “YEAH BUT WHAT ABOUT BLAIR!!” and “DON’T DEMONISE DENNY” have nothing to do with the fact that a so called left wing voter like yourself has voted and supports making people poorer, under a hard right government and with the distinct possibility of people partners and loved ones getting deported. There is justifiable fear and anger around that.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:54 am

captain red dog wrote:I don't blame voters for Blairs murderous assault on Muslims, and I don't blame voters for the Lib Dems assault on the poor. Why is it suddenly acceptable to blame people for Brexit scenarios which haven't happened yet?


If Labour campaigned saying "Vote as and we will bomb the middle east" that statement would be valid, they didn't so it isn't.

Brexit is an example of direct democracy, that means people directly pick the outcome, that means they are also directly responsible for when they occurs. Brexit voters voted to leave the EU, and so anything that happens to the UK and people on leaving the EU is directly their fault because they directly voted for it.

Any brexit voter that denies the gooseberry fool storm is their fault needs a serious sit down with themselves to take some responsibility for their actions.


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