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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
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80%
Leave the European Union
57
20%
 
Total votes: 279
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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:11 am


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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:10 am

What amuses me is that they still think they can get CU access on their own terms. Very little of these negotiations has been on the UK's terms.

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:16 am

The results form part of a new YouGov study which asked Britons whether they thought a selection of broadcast and print news outlets were pro-Brexit, anti-Brexit or neither.

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In all cases, large proportions of Brits (41-73%) say they don’t know the outlets’ stance. This is not particularly surprising – despite what journalists may like to think, many people pay a very limited amount of attention to the news and then only from a limited number of sources, certainly not enough to have figured out the editorial stance of all national outlets.

Brits are clearest on the stance of the Daily Mail and The Sun, which 40% and 37% respectively identify as being pro-Brexit, and the Guardian which is seen as anti-Brexit by 33%.

A further 31% of Brits consider the Express to be pro-Brexit, while BBC News is seen as the second most anti-Brexit news source, at 27%, followed by The Independent on 23%.

The broadcast outlets in the survey – Sky News, BBC News, ITV News and Channel 4 News – are the most likely to be seen as “neither” pro- nor anti-Brexit, at 14-24%.

While there are many notable differences between the perceptions of Remain and Leave voters – their aforementioned views on BBC News being the most pronounced – these can mostly be attributed to the fact that Leave voters are more likely to say they “don’t know” what an outlet’s stance on Brexit is.

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For instance, the fact that Remain voters are much more likely to think the Daily Mail is pro-Brexit than Leave voters – 53% to 35% – isn’t because Leave voters think the paper is anti-Brexit or neutral, it is simply because they are 12 percentage points more likely to not know the Mail’s stance.

In fact, almost all the statistically significant distinctions between the attitudes of Remain and Leave voters that cannot simply be explained by the difference in “don’t know” answers relate to the broadcasters, which Leave voters are more likely to see as anti-Brexit.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Rex Kramer » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:19 am

60% of the population don't now whether the Express is pro-Brexit?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:19 am

6% of people think that the Mail is anti-Brexit?
7% think that the Sun and the Express are anti-Brexit?

There really are some stupid people in this country. :lol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:25 am

Rex Kramer wrote:60% of the population don't now whether the Express is pro-Brexit?

I think it shows a very large amount of the population pay no to very little attention to these outlets whatsoever. And if they do, it's to the news story itself (say via a link through Facebook or on Apple News) rather than their editorial beliefs. So you'll read a story on bendy bananas but you won't know it's coming from an anti-EU publication.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:24 pm

Jeremy Hunt has said there is no possibility of the government backing a customs union with the EU after Brexit.

The health secretary said the UK wanted "frictionless trade" but would "find a different way" to achieve that.

A Conservative MP says she has cross-party support for an amendment calling for the government to form "a" customs union with the EU after Brexit.

Theresa May will make a speech on the UK's future relationship with the EU next Friday.

And Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn is set to outline Labour policy on a customs union on Monday, amid reports that his party's position on it is "evolving".

If he backs membership of a customs union, it could mean Mrs May faces a Commons showdown over the issue - with pro-European Conservative rebels joining forces with Labour MPs.

Conservative MP Anna Soubry says she has cross-party support for an amendment to the Trade Bill, currently going through Parliament, urging the government to pursue as a negotiating objective forming a customs union after Brexit.

A customs union means countries club together and agree to apply the same tariffs to goods from outside the union - but it does not allow members to strike their own trade deals.

Jeremy Hunt told BBC Radio 4's Today programme a customs union was "one way of getting frictionless trade but it is not the only way".

The government wanted to agree "frictionless trade by agreement between two sovereign bodies, the United Kingdom and the European Union", he said.

Asked if there was any possibility of the government coming round to the idea of a customs union with the EU after Brexit, he replied: "No".

The health secretary was not at the meeting of senior ministers at Chequers on Thursday, at which the UK approach to Brexit was discussed over eight hours.

But he said he had been told there had been a "very positive discussion" and "good progress" had been made.

He said a broad agreement had been reached at Chequers, ahead of a discussion by the whole cabinet and the prime minister's speech next week.

"You have divergent views on a big issue like Brexit as you would expect - but the central common understanding is that there will be areas and sectors of industry where we agree to align our regulations with European regulations," he said.

"The automotive industry is perhaps an obvious example because of supply chains that are integrated.

"But it will be on a voluntary basis, we will as a sovereign power have the right to choose to diverge, and what we won't be doing is accepting changes in rules because the EU unilaterally chooses to make those changes."

Environment Secretary Michael Gove, who was at Chequers, told Sky News there had been "a very good atmosphere" while Home Secretary Amber Rudd told the BBC: "We all got behind the prime minister and we've agreed the basis for her speech next week and looking forward to it going ahead."

But pro-EU Labour backbencher Chuka Umunna - an ally of Anna Soubry - warned Theresa May her plan to leave the customs union could be defeated by MPs.

"There is no majority in the House of Commons for us not to participate in the customs union, that is absolutely clear... it's the reality of the parliamentary arithmetic."

Of the government, he said: "If they are not going to change their position they are going to lose votes in the House of Commons, it's a straightforward as that."

He said Labour's position had been "evolving" on staying in some form of customs union and he said he was confident his party would back the amendment put forward by him and Ms Soubry.

Meanwhile the Times has reported that the prime minister is planning a U-turn over the right of EU citizens who arrive in the UK after Brexit, but during the "transition period", to remain in the country permanently.

Conservative Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg told the BBC that would be "quite wrong": "I'd be astonished if Mrs May would make U-turn of that kind; she is a lady of great backbone and for her to kowtow to the European Union is, I think, unconscionable."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43167824

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:38 pm

He can say that all he wants, but there's an increasing chance that parliament are going to force a customs union by the looks of things.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:51 pm

Lagamorph wrote:He can say that all he wants, but there's an increasing chance that parliament are going to force a customs union by the looks of things.


It’s going to get messy. Even if Parliament force through an amendment on the Customs Union, there is plenty the government can do to stop it if they really want to, it will require EU approval after all, if the government play silly beggars on other issues then the EU may well just tell us to piss off. If the EU refuse to allow the UK into the Customs Union, then there's bugger all that Parliament can do about it.

I think we will end up still inside the Customs Union, but it’s by no means a guaranteed thing.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:59 pm

This amendment kinda needs Labour backing though. I wouldn't put it past Corbyn to order his lot to do the exact opposite.

Whatever may happen, the government plan of 'EU alignment but on our own terms' will more than likely be knocked back. Labour needs to get their gooseberry fool together and be a viable choice for people.

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PostRe: Brexit
by captain red dog » Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:04 pm

Rex Kramer wrote:60% of the population don't now whether the Express is pro-Brexit?

I'd say 60-70% of people I know have never read the Express. I think I have read it about once in my entire life. I couldn't tell you whether they are left or right leaning.

As for The Sun, I hardly ever read it unless I see a spare copy in a takeaway. But that's because I know it is a Murdoch gooseberry fool rag, that isn't even suitable for wiping gooseberry fool. I like to have a browse to see what scummy stories they have in the current week.

The market for all newspapers is incredibly low. I'd say the closest they get to a mass audience is when their headlines are featured on news broadcasts. I tend to read from a variety of predominantly centrist/left wing online sources, but try to get a few right wing sources too so I can try and get both sides to a story.

Its a minefield to be honest. It is very difficult to find sources without some form of spin.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:53 pm

captain red dog wrote:
Rex Kramer wrote:60% of the population don't now whether the Express is pro-Brexit?

I'd say 60-70% of people I know have never read the Express. I think I have read it about once in my entire life. I couldn't tell you whether they are left or right leaning.

As for The Sun, I hardly ever read it unless I see a spare copy in a takeaway. But that's because I know it is a Murdoch gooseberry fool rag, that isn't even suitable for wiping gooseberry fool. I like to have a browse to see what scummy stories they have in the current week.

The market for all newspapers is incredibly low. I'd say the closest they get to a mass audience is when their headlines are featured on news broadcasts. I tend to read from a variety of predominantly centrist/left wing online sources, but try to get a few right wing sources too so I can try and get both sides to a story.

Its a minefield to be honest. It is very difficult to find sources without some form of spin.


You don’t have to have read something to know what way it leans. I don’t think I have ever read the Express, but it’s pretty clear from the headlines on the front page what way it leans.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Hyperion » Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:33 pm

The Express is pretty pro-Diana, anti-Weather

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:44 pm

Hyperion wrote:The Express is pretty pro-Diana, anti-Weather


You forgot cancer.

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PostRe: Brexit
by captain red dog » Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:48 pm

Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:
Rex Kramer wrote:60% of the population don't now whether the Express is pro-Brexit?

I'd say 60-70% of people I know have never read the Express. I think I have read it about once in my entire life. I couldn't tell you whether they are left or right leaning.

As for The Sun, I hardly ever read it unless I see a spare copy in a takeaway. But that's because I know it is a Murdoch gooseberry fool rag, that isn't even suitable for wiping gooseberry fool. I like to have a browse to see what scummy stories they have in the current week.

The market for all newspapers is incredibly low. I'd say the closest they get to a mass audience is when their headlines are featured on news broadcasts. I tend to read from a variety of predominantly centrist/left wing online sources, but try to get a few right wing sources too so I can try and get both sides to a story.

Its a minefield to be honest. It is very difficult to find sources without some form of spin.


You don’t have to have read something to know what way it leans. I don’t think I have ever read the Express, but it’s pretty clear from the headlines on the front page what way it leans.

I literally have no idea. I pay very little attention to the papers, I don't buy them and only ever see the headlines of the most popular papers as I walk by them in news stands. I don't know anyone under the age of 50 that still buys a newspaper.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:50 pm

captain red dog wrote:I literally have no idea. I pay very little attention to the papers, I don't buy them and only ever see the headlines of the most popular papers as I walk by them in news stands. I don't know anyone under the age of 50 that still buys a newspaper.


This is all you need to know.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Benzin » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:21 pm

:lol: :lol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Regginator3 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:45 pm

captain red dog wrote:I don't know anyone under the age of 50 that still buys a newspaper.

To be fair I do! Considering as a software developer I'm at a screen literally all day it's nice to read information during lunch without needing to stress my eyes at a screen. It's an admittedly small niche, though.

The Express is garbage mind.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:14 pm

The Express are the worst. Every headline on their site basically follows the same formula.

SHOCK. Regginator thinks the Express is GARBAGE.

It's so annoying. Stop using capital letters to emphasize your point you twats.

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