Brexit

PostRe: Brexit by **Hexx** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:26 am

twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/968031084343644165

The Gammons will be extra frothy today I think

PostRe: Brexit by **Cuttooth** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:36 am

So obsessed about a war they never fought in. :fp:

I think Corbyn's speech will end up disappointing many by the sounds of it. There's still a fundamental belief that the EU will cave into Britain's demands, which ever government is potentially making them, and make the UK a special case when it comes to cherry picking EU rules for a new treaty or customs union. This belief is unfortunately not based in reality.

PostRe: Brexit by **Hexx** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:48 am

Cuttooth wrote:So obsessed about a war they never fought in.

I think Corbyn's speech will end up disappointing many by the sounds of it. There's still a fundamental belief that the EU will cave into Britain's demands, which ever government is potentially making them, and make the UK a special case when it comes to cherry picking EU rules for a new treaty or customs union. This belief is unfortunately not based in reality.

On Labour’s stance on the single market

Every country that is geographically close to the EU without being an EU member state, whether it’s Turkey, Switzerland, or Norway, has some sort of close relationship to the EU, some more advantageous than others.

Britain will need a bespoke relationship of its own. Labour would negotiate a new and strong relationship with the single market that includes full tariff-free access and a floor under existing rights, standards and protections.

That new relationship would need to ensure we can deliver our ambitious economic programme, take the essential steps to upgrade and transform our economy, and build an economy for the 21st century that works for the many, not the few.

So we would also seek to negotiate protections, clarifications or exemptions, where necessary, in relation to privatisation and public service competition directives, state aid and procurement rules and the posted workers directive.

We cannot be held back, inside or outside the EU, from taking the steps we need to support cutting edge industries and local business, stop the tide of privatisation and outsourcing or prevent employers being able to import cheap agency labour from abroad to undercut existing pay and conditions.

Sounds very much like Cakeism to me...

The Tories are absolutely furious this morning - but he's basically offering the exact same option as them :lol:

PostRe: Brexit by **DML** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:06 am

The thing is - you have to read between the lines. By saying that Labour can ensure that they can essentially remain. All they have to do is get the EU to agree to essentially pretend its a new bespoke deal - but we're following all the rules. Its stupid, but thats the world we live in now.

PostRe: Brexit by **Squinty** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:49 am

Sounds like cakeism to me too.

PostRe: Brexit by **Moggy** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:53 am

DML wrote:The thing is - you have to read between the lines. By saying that Labour can ensure that they can essentially remain. All they have to do is get the EU to agree to essentially pretend its a new bespoke deal - but we're following all the rules. Its stupid, but thats the world we live in now.

Corbyn is leader of the Labour Party and wants to be the Prime Minister of the U.K.

Why should we have to read between the lines? He needs to tell us what he proposes, clearly and openly so we can decide if we prefer his version to that of the Tory Party (who are just as unclear!).

PostRe: Brexit by **DML** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:53 am

Moggy wrote:
DML wrote:The thing is - you have to read between the lines. By saying that Labour can ensure that they can essentially remain. All they have to do is get the EU to agree to essentially pretend its a new bespoke deal - but we're following all the rules. Its stupid, but thats the world we live in now.

Corbyn is leader of the Labour Party and wants to be the Prime Minister of the U.K.

Why should we have to read between the lines? He needs to tell us what he proposes, clearly and openly so we can decide if we prefer his version to that of the Tory Party (who are just as unclear!).

Because he won't get to do it that way!

PostRe: Brexit by **Moggy** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:59 am

DML wrote:
Moggy wrote:
DML wrote:The thing is - you have to read between the lines. By saying that Labour can ensure that they can essentially remain. All they have to do is get the EU to agree to essentially pretend its a new bespoke deal - but we're following all the rules. Its stupid, but thats the world we live in now.

Corbyn is leader of the Labour Party and wants to be the Prime Minister of the U.K.

Why should we have to read between the lines? He needs to tell us what he proposes, clearly and openly so we can decide if we prefer his version to that of the Tory Party (who are just as unclear!).

Because he won't get to do it that way!

He forces people to try and read between the lines because he doesn’t want to do things the way he says he wants to?

Yeah that makes sense.

PostRe: Brexit by **Hexx** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:00 am

Very much a "we'll make a better cake than the Tories" approach so far. (Jobs focused Brexit has just come up)

PostRe: Brexit by **Hypes** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:01 am

I'm all for cake

PostRe: Brexit by **Lagamorph** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:11 am

Whilst Corbyn is in charge Labour will never be clear on Brexit. They're torn between Remain supporting MPs and Hard Brexit supporting leadership.

PostRe: Brexit by **Hypes** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:17 am

I don't think the Tories or Labour will ever be clear on Brexit.

PostRe: Brexit by **Regginator3** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:18 am

VOTE RENEW

PostRe: Brexit by **Hypes** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:20 am

PostRe: Brexit by **Poser** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:21 am

Right, where can I get some of this cake from?

PostRe: Brexit by **Moggy** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:29 am

twitter.com/divinedigit/status/967749992550207489

PostRe: Brexit by **Hexx** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:30 am

So single market/customs union proxy
No Irish Boarder
A "say" in new trade deals
Limitations to Freedom of Movement

Cakeism!

PostRe: Brexit by **captain red dog** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:35 am

Corbyn's option would be a disaster. If you can't sign your own trade deals following Brexit, then you are simply guaranteeing a long, painful decline as you forge on as before but without any influence.

PostRe: Brexit by **Regginator3** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:36 am

It's arguably even worse than what the Tories are offering - at least they aren't pretending we can have what he's proposing. Though their option is disastrous in other ways.

Bring back Blair.

PostRe: Brexit by **Rex Kramer** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:40 am

Hyperion wrote:I don't think the Tories or Labour will ever be clear on Brexit.

Because they are both trying to square a circle. There is literally no way of leaving the EU without screwing ourselves over in the short to medium term.

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