Brexit

Rex Kramer wrote:It won't happen because the government wouldn't allow it to happen. They'd just lump on tax break after tax break to ensure they don't lose this industry. Problem then comes with who fills in the hole in the public purse (here's a hint, you and me).

Lagamorph wrote:The government don't have much of a choice. If EU law is that Euro clearing must happen within the EU then there's nothing that the UK Government can do to stop them.

There were attempts to take EU clearing from London several years ago that the UK Government fought in European Court of Justice, and the ECJ only sided with the UK on the basis that it was illegal to discriminate against another EU member in that way. We're now losing that protection.

Moggy wrote:

Rex Kramer wrote:It won't happen because the government wouldn't allow it to happen. They'd just lump on tax break after tax break to ensure they don't lose this industry. Problem then comes with who fills in the hole in the public purse (here's a hint, you and me).

That all depends on what EU nations do though. If there are high tariffs for financial dealings with the EU, tax cuts might help alleviate that. However that doesn't mean an EU nation will not also lower their tax charges.

I think Ireland already have very very low tax rates for businesses, if Dublin can offer low low tax, an English speaking population and tariff free trade then London and Paris might feel somewhat left out.

bear wrote:The Mail's spelling of Frankfurt is appalling.


https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-brexit-bankers/?utm_content=brexit&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&cmpid%3D=socialflow-facebook-brexit

These companies were always going to have to expand their EU based operations after Brexit. The challenge for the UK will be in keeping the job losses to the bare minimum.

Photek wrote:Bit of a housing / accommodation problem in Dublin at mo, if we can sort that out within next 18 months then it could be a major coup for the financial industry.

Tech and pharma sewn up years ago so not quite sure what you mean by non skilled and even if that's true we welcome skilled folk to come here. We are also one of the youngest work forces in Europe.

Lagamorph wrote:The EU Charter of fundamental rights has gone in the repeal bill.

It contains the following protections,

The first title (Dignity) guarantees the right to life and prohibits torture, slavery, the death penalty, eugenic practices and human cloning. Its provisions are mostly based on the ECHR, although Article 1 closely reflects Article 1 of the German Basic Law.

The second title (Freedoms) covers liberty, personal integrity, privacy, protection of personal data, marriage, thought, religion, expression, assembly, education, work, property and asylum.

The third title (Equality) covers equality before the law, prohibition of all discrimination including on basis of disability, age and sexual orientation, cultural, religious and linguistic diversity, the rights of children and the elderly.

The fourth title (Solidarity) covers social and workers' rights including the right to fair working conditions, protection against unjustified dismissal, and access to health care, social and housing assistance.

The fifth title (Citizen's Rights) covers the rights of the EU citizens such as the right to vote in election to the European Parliament and to move freely within the EU. It also includes several administrative rights such as a right to good administration, to access documents and to petition the European Parliament.

The sixth title (Justice) covers justice issues such as the right to an effective remedy, a fair trial, to the presumption of innocence, the principle of legality, non-retrospectivity and double jeopardy.


So goodbye privacy, goodbye personal data protections, goodbye working conditions, goodbye equality

David Davis is as 'thick as mince' and as 'lazy as a toad', says Vote Leave chief

Dominic Cummings has admitted Brexit could turn out to be an ‘error’

The former head of the Vote Leave campaign has branded the Brexit Secretary as “thick as mince” and “as lazy as a toad”.

Dominic Cummings said David Davis’s Repeal Bill contained provisions that would allow ministers to cave in to EU demands at the last minute.

Mr Cummings’s outburst reflects continuing disagreement between different wings of the Brexit movement, which saw intense infighting at the time of last year’s EU referendum.

It comes on the same day that Mr Davis made a half-day trip to Brussels to negotiate with EU officials, where he faced criticism for being pictured sitting down for talks without any notes.

In the photograph, Mr Davis’s approach was in stark contrast to the European Commission negotiators, who sat with large piles of briefing papers in organised binders.

Responding to the “thick as mince” comment, Andy Wigmore, a figure associated with the rival Leave.EU faction, labelled Mr Cummings “Super Prat”.

Mr Cummings, who masterminded the claim that Brexit could fund the NHS to the tune of £350m a week, said earlier this month that there was a chance that leaving the EU would turn out to be an “error” following a decision by “morons” in Government to withdraw from the European atomic energy community, Euratom.

Rightey wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:The EU Charter of fundamental rights has gone in the repeal bill.

It contains the following protections,

The first title (Dignity) guarantees the right to life and prohibits torture, slavery, the death penalty, eugenic practices and human cloning. Its provisions are mostly based on the ECHR, although Article 1 closely reflects Article 1 of the German Basic Law.

The second title (Freedoms) covers liberty, personal integrity, privacy, protection of personal data, marriage, thought, religion, expression, assembly, education, work, property and asylum.

The third title (Equality) covers equality before the law, prohibition of all discrimination including on basis of disability, age and sexual orientation, cultural, religious and linguistic diversity, the rights of children and the elderly.

The fourth title (Solidarity) covers social and workers' rights including the right to fair working conditions, protection against unjustified dismissal, and access to health care, social and housing assistance.

The fifth title (Citizen's Rights) covers the rights of the EU citizens such as the right to vote in election to the European Parliament and to move freely within the EU. It also includes several administrative rights such as a right to good administration, to access documents and to petition the European Parliament.

The sixth title (Justice) covers justice issues such as the right to an effective remedy, a fair trial, to the presumption of innocence, the principle of legality, non-retrospectivity and double jeopardy.


So goodbye privacy, goodbye personal data protections, goodbye working conditions, goodbye equality

Now call me a skeptic, but I don't think the British government is planning on bringing back slavery. Isn't this just a case of these things are already covered in UK law so to avoid duplication they're getting rid of it here?

Or am I missing something and you are planning on bringing back slavery?

Squinty wrote:Employers could just have a revolving door of free labour if not scrutinised.

Blue Eyes wrote:So the Brexiters are the elitist banana splits? Well, strawberry float me!

Moggy wrote:

Blue Eyes wrote:So the Brexiters are the elitist banana splits? Well, strawberry float me!

No not all of them. Some of them are racists.

Blue Eyes wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Blue Eyes wrote:So the Brexiters are the elitist banana splits? Well, strawberry float me!

No not all of them. Some of them are racists.

What?! I thought Brexit was about opening our country to the world beyond Europe whilst still retaining a tight bond with our continental neighbours!

Squinty wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/18/eu-talks-divided-over-britains-brexit-divorce-bill-mooted-at-66bn

We are gonna walk away from this one like a bunch of children.

Lagamorph wrote:

Squinty wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/18/eu-talks-divided-over-britains-brexit-divorce-bill-mooted-at-66bn

We are gonna walk away from this one like a bunch of children.

Children could literally do a better job of negotiating this than the people we've got doing it at the moment.