Brexit

Solid bloke.

What the strawberry float is Andre the Giant doing dressed in a santa costume?

I played Santa once at a school fair.
The kids were strawberry floating terrified.

Denster wrote:I played Santa once at a school fair.
The kids were strawberry floating terrified.

Yes but that was because you were not invited to the school.

An actually photo of Denster dressed as Santa.

lex-man wrote:

An actually photo of Denster dressed as Santa.

Can’t be, his cocks not hanging out.

The phrase "will of the people" is used incorrectly by Brexit supporters. Leaving is not and has never been the will of the people. The majority of the public have always been for remaining, as evidenced by the fact that nearly twice as many non-voters in the referendum appeared to endorse staying in the EU. If they used "will of the voters" they might be more accurate. Leave edged it on the day of the referendum because fewer remain supporters bothered turning out. The reason the polls had it for remain before hand was because it's easier to respond to a poll than drag yourself out to actually vote after work (the fact that the leave side had many more retirees on their side was a big boon for them).

Of course, some might argue that if you can't be bothered to vote then your opinion doesn't count and honestly, although in this instance it goes against the outcome I wanted, I am quite sympathetic to that argument. I'm not arguing that the result was invalid. I am just pointing out that the majority of the population, from all available evidence, wants to remain in the EU and has always done so.

Meep wrote:The phrase "will of the people" is used incorrectly by Brexit supporters. Leaving is not and has never been the will of the people. The majority of the public have always been for remaining, as evidenced by the fact that nearly twice as many non-voters in the referendum appeared to endorse staying in the EU. If they used "will of the voters" they might be more accurate. Leave edged it on the day of the referendum because fewer remain supporters bothered turning out.

Of course, some might argue that if you can't be bothered to vote then your opinion doesn't count and honestly, although in this instance it goes against the outcome I wanted, I am quite sympathetic to that argument. I'm not arguing that the result was invalid. I am just pointing out that the majority of the population, from all available evidence, wants to remain in the EU and has always done so.

Democrasee!!!!!

Meep wrote:The phrase "will of the people" is used incorrectly by Brexit supporters. Leaving is not and has never been the will of the people. The majority of the public have always been for remaining, as evidenced by the fact that nearly twice as many non-voters in the referendum appeared to endorse staying in the EU. If they used "will of the voters" they might be more accurate. Leave edged it on the day of the referendum because fewer remain supporters bothered turning out. The reason the polls had it for remain before hand was because it's easier to respond to a poll than drag yourself out to actually vote after work (the fact that the leave side had many more retirees on their side was a big boon for them).

Of course, some might argue that if you can't be bothered to vote then your opinion doesn't count and honestly, although in this instance it goes against the outcome I wanted, I am quite sympathetic to that argument. I'm not arguing that the result was invalid. I am just pointing out that the majority of the population, from all available evidence, wants to remain in the EU and has always done so.

Then they should have voted.

Like I said - the zeal and desire was in the side of the Leave vote.
I talked to remain supporters who didn’t vote in the days and weeks after and wanted to shake them.

We (collectively) didn’t do enough.

It’s a cop out to blame only the Leave voters or the slogans and bullshit and the politicians.

We are all responsible in varying degrees.

Will of the people to vote.

Still isn't really will of people when it is a pubes width over half.

Again Denster, I genuinely pity you (and not even in a snarky way ) if you feel the referendum was in some sense 'your' fault. I know Tory ideology is all about personal responsibility but Christ, it's OK to point a finger at the people actually responsible for this shitshow. Almost everyone is higher up the blame list than you or me.

I think Meep is correct. “Will of the people” is false as you have to count non-voters into that statement. Not voting doesn’t mean you give up your voice in the future, although it does mean you’re a lazy idiot.

Denster wrote:We are all responsible in varying degrees.

What kind of fuckery is this? I voted remain; always planned to. I accept precisely zero responsibility for a) 52% of the people that voted choosing to vote leave, and b) the government deciding to interpret the 17 million people that voted leave as a majority of citizens in this country.

Drumstick wrote:

Denster wrote:We are all responsible in varying degrees.

What kind of fuckery is this? I voted remain; always planned to. I accept precisely zero responsibility for a) 52% of the people that voted choosing to vote leave, and b) the government deciding to interpret the 17 million people that voted leave as a majority of citizens in this country.

Yes but did you put in the effort to personally convince the 17million that voted leave?

No?

Then it’s your fault.

I remain astounded that just under 28 percent of people in the UK who were entitled to vote... didn’t vote. I can understand folk deciding to vote one way or the other, but to not vote at all I find surprising. Whilst we chat over how close the result was and how it could quite easily have been different, a huge chunk of the population apparently weren’t too bothered about the outcome.

jawafour wrote:I remain astounded that just under 28 percent of people in the UK who were entitled to vote... didn’t vote. I can understand folk deciding to vote one way or the other, but to not vote at all I find surprising. Whilst we chat over how close the result was and how it could quite easily have been different, a huge chunk of the population apparently weren’t too bothered about the outcome.

The turnout for the referendum was actually decent when you compare it to general elections. And it was astonishingly high compared to the AV vote!

2017 election: 68.8%
EU referendum: 72.2%
2015 election: 66.4%
AV referendum: 42.2%
2010 election: 65.1%
2005 election: 61.4%
2001 election: 59.4%
1997 election: 71.3%

I don’t believe in compulsory voting (although I could be persuaded for referendums) but we really do have a load of lazy arseholes in this country.

.