Brexit

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Blue Eyes wrote:Theresa May spent more time not answering questions on the radio yesterday - refusing to say that she would vote Leave now if there was another referendum. That's all she strawberry floating does, avoid answering questions. I actually felt quite sorry for her last week when she withered during that speech, but now I'm back to thinking she's an evil old bitch again.

1. I'm now 100% certain there will not be a deal. We are past the point of salvation.
2. May thinks she has made a reasonable offer but it is simply not grounded in reality. She's away with the fairies.
3. She thinks this can be wrapped up in the construct of Article 50 which is a complete misapprehension.
4. She thinks it is now the responsibility of the EU to accept her offer when they have already declined it - twice.
5. None of the proposals are consistent with the rules of the system and May is demanding the impossible.
6. As much as government is not seriously engaging it lacks the capacity. They will never comprehend the issues. Its too complex for them
7. Underlying all this is an assumption that we can just muddle through and that no deal has manageable consequences.
8. Little is understood of the seismic implications - not least because the EU cannot breach its own rules
9. The assumption is that the EU will fold and refuse to put up barriers - but the EU is bound by the WTO system. No exceptions.
10. Once the UK has chosen to be outside of the EU systems, no special concessions can be made. They cannot help us.
11. The Tory assumption that regulatory parity is the basis of free trade is one that has taken root and they can't be talked out of it.
12. This is the line put forward by Legatum Institute and it is very obviously wrong
13. So we *definitely* will lose all of our JIT manufacturing and we lose most of our 3rd country trade relationships overnight.
14. At a guess I think we stand to lose more than a third of our trade - but very possibly most of it for the interim.
15. So that means major sweeping cuts are imminent. Expect massive HM forces redundancies and cuts to public services
16. The bottom line is this government holds far too many misapprehensions about how the system works to ever understand EU reticence.
17. So it will go on demanding the unrealistic and the improbable until it sees no choice but to walk away - blaming the EU for it.
18. As to being ready in 2 years, forget it. There is a decades worth of regulatory engineering to do.
19. So you can expect a number of sectors to collapse, a long recession, teetering over into a depression. This will cost unimaginable sums.
20. Most of all there will be no deal because the government is entirely insincere and is not taking it seriously. Game over.

Garth wrote:Saw this on GAF, Leaver wrote it:

1. I'm now 100% certain there will not be a deal. We are past the point of salvation.
2. May thinks she has made a reasonable offer but it is simply not grounded in reality. She's away with the fairies.
3. She thinks this can be wrapped up in the construct of Article 50 which is a complete misapprehension.
4. She thinks it is now the responsibility of the EU to accept her offer when they have already declined it - twice.
5. None of the proposals are consistent with the rules of the system and May is demanding the impossible.
6. As much as government is not seriously engaging it lacks the capacity. They will never comprehend the issues. Its too complex for them
7. Underlying all this is an assumption that we can just muddle through and that no deal has manageable consequences.
8. Little is understood of the seismic implications - not least because the EU cannot breach its own rules
9. The assumption is that the EU will fold and refuse to put up barriers - but the EU is bound by the WTO system. No exceptions.
10. Once the UK has chosen to be outside of the EU systems, no special concessions can be made. They cannot help us.
11. The Tory assumption that regulatory parity is the basis of free trade is one that has taken root and they can't be talked out of it.
12. This is the line put forward by Legatum Institute and it is very obviously wrong
13. So we *definitely* will lose all of our JIT manufacturing and we lose most of our 3rd country trade relationships overnight.
14. At a guess I think we stand to lose more than a third of our trade - but very possibly most of it for the interim.
15. So that means major sweeping cuts are imminent. Expect massive HM forces redundancies and cuts to public services
16. The bottom line is this government holds far too many misapprehensions about how the system works to ever understand EU reticence.
17. So it will go on demanding the unrealistic and the improbable until it sees no choice but to walk away - blaming the EU for it.
18. As to being ready in 2 years, forget it. There is a decades worth of regulatory engineering to do.
19. So you can expect a number of sectors to collapse, a long recession, teetering over into a depression. This will cost unimaginable sums.
20. Most of all there will be no deal because the government is entirely insincere and is not taking it seriously. Game over.

https://twitter.com/PeteNorth303/status ... 2584780800

Still wants to leave the EU though, because he feels UK society has had it too easy lately and thinks we need hardship. Lunatic.

Dare say Mandelson, Blair, Clegg and the rest of the establishment remoaners are pulling his strings. As he is evidently not committed to Brexit and is an impediment he needs to go.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:One of the top rated comments on a story on the DM at the moment about Hammond not putting money aside to prepare for a no-deal on brexit. Currently has 1015 likes.

Dare say Mandelson, Blair, Clegg and the rest of the establishment remoaners are pulling his strings. As he is evidently not committed to Brexit and is an impediment he needs to go.

Do people really believe that Mandelson, Blair and Clegg are controlling Hammond? I don't understand how people can function if they are this skeptical about things like this.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:One of the top rated comments on a story on the DM at the moment about Hammond not putting money aside to prepare for a no-deal on brexit. Currently has 1015 likes.

Dare say Mandelson, Blair, Clegg and the rest of the establishment remoaners are pulling his strings. As he is evidently not committed to Brexit and is an impediment he needs to go.

Do people really believe that Mandelson, Blair and Clegg are controlling Hammond? I don't understand how people can function if they are this skeptical about things like this.

Denster wrote:It’s not a question she should or have to answer. It’s irrelevant.

Denster wrote:I think a No deal is now a distinct possibility and I also think the EU has a large portion of the responsibility for that.