Brexit

No deal is something that won't be some small bump in the road, it will utterly strawberry float this country Greece-style.

The politicians will talk the big talk, but they will absolutely take a weak-ass deal before they no deal. Its why Brexit is such a godawful idea.

DML wrote:No deal is something that won't be some small bump in the road, it will utterly strawberry float this country Greece-style.

The politicians will talk the big talk, but they will absolutely take a weak-ass deal before they no deal. Its why Brexit is such a godawful idea.

Yes but it will be the fault of Remainers and the EU so it’ll all be great in UKIPPY eyes.

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:No deal is something that won't be some small bump in the road, it will utterly strawberry float this country Greece-style.

The politicians will talk the big talk, but they will absolutely take a weak-ass deal before they no deal. Its why Brexit is such a godawful idea.

Yes but it will be the fault of Remainers and the EU so it’ll all be great in UKIPPY eyes.

That's what will be most annoying is that the gooseberry fool hats that caused this will never ever be blamed or get just deserts.

No deal is fine for people like the Brexiters in the Tory party. If anyone is familiar with the work on Naomi Klein they should know the concept of 'disaster capitalism' well. They are okay with a major crisis being unleashed on the UK. In fact, in many ways it is preferable because it creates huge scope for legislation to be drafted and repealed that would otherwise be fiercely protested. If the UK suffers a major shock they can use it to do away with large amounts of regulation or "red tape" (you'll hear that coming out of the mouths of Brexiteers a lot) to reduce workers rights and deplete welfare to make us more "competitive" and cut the state to "live within its means".

This sounds like a conspiracy, but unfortunately it is very real. I wish it wasn't. You can find the details detailed by the plotters themselves in a book released before the referendum called "Britannia Unchained" arguing for exactly such changes and citing that a major shock like the last recession would be necessary to make them. They explain the rationale behind the plot in their own words. The names behind the book are closely associated with the Leave campaign and the hard right of the conservative party including my prominent MPs. For them, Brexit is supposed to hurt. That's its primary purpose. Economic crisis in the UK as a result of the referendum is not a bug; it's a feature. In one stroke it creates a way to force through unpalatable changes and remove the protections on safety/hygiene/work/environment guaranteed to people by the EU.

Now the plotters are seeing blood because they have useless leader and are deliberately disestablishing their own government's negotiation to ensure the chances of meaningful settlement with the EU are reduced. The prize for them is to engineer a crisis and completely remake the UK in the image of laissez faire neo-liberalism on steroids with ultra-low taxation, minimal worker protection and privatised public services.

Errkal wrote:

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:No deal is something that won't be some small bump in the road, it will utterly strawberry float this country Greece-style.

The politicians will talk the big talk, but they will absolutely take a weak-ass deal before they no deal. Its why Brexit is such a godawful idea.

Yes but it will be the fault of Remainers and the EU so it’ll all be great in UKIPPY eyes.

That's what will be most annoying is that the gooseberry fool hats that caused this will never ever be blamed or get just deserts.

Yep. The worst of them will just blame it on Remainers talking the country down, the EU for bullying us and on Theresa May’s government for not demanding enough.

They will never ever take responsibility. And their supporters will lap it up.

Meep wrote:No deal is fine for people like the Brexiters in the Tory party. If anyone is familiar with the work on Naomi Klein they should know the concept of 'disaster capitalism' well. They are okay with a major crisis being unleashed on the UK. In fact, in many ways it is preferable because it creates huge scope for legislation to be drafted and repealed that would otherwise be fiercely protested. If the UK suffers a major shock they can use it to do away with large amounts of regulation or "red tape" (you'll hear that coming out of the mouths of Brexiteers a lot) to reduce workers rights and deplete welfare to make us more "competitive" and cut the state to "live within its means".

I agree with this, and it depresses me greatly that people are happy to sleepwalk into it.

Meep wrote:No deal is fine for people like the Brexiters in the Tory party. If anyone is familiar with the work on Naomi Klein they should know the concept of 'disaster capitalism' well. They are okay with a major crisis being unleashed on the UK. In fact, in many ways it is preferable because it creates huge scope for legislation to be drafted and repealed that would otherwise be fiercely protested. If the UK suffers a major shock they can use it to do away with large amounts of regulation or "red tape" (you'll hear that coming out of the mouths of Brexiteers a lot) to reduce workers rights and deplete welfare to make us more "competitive" and cut the state to "live within its means".

This sounds like a conspiracy, but unfortunately it is very real. I wish it wasn't. You can find the details detailed by the plotters themselves in a book released before the referendum called "Britannia Unchained" arguing for exactly such changes and citing that a major shock like the last recession would be necessary to make them. They explain the rationale behind the plot in their own words. The names behind the book are closely associated with the Leave campaign and the hard right of the conservative party including my prominent MPs. For them, Brexit is supposed to hurt. That's its primary purpose. Economic crisis in the UK as a result of the referendum is not a bug; it's a feature. In one stroke it creates a way to force through unpalatable changes and remove the protections on safety/hygiene/work/environment guaranteed to people by the EU.

Now the plotters are seeing blood because they have useless leader and are deliberately disestablishing their own government's negotiation to ensure the chances of meaningful settlement with the EU are reduced. The prize for them is to engineer a crisis and completely remake the UK in the image of laissez faire neo-liberalism on steroids with ultra-low taxation, minimal worker protection and privatised public services.

Great post, but an awful truth

Some amazing predictions in here.

Some genuine Tin foil hat stuff.

I think I actually want a no deal. Just to see the reaction in here. It’s priceless.

Denster wrote:I think I actually want a no deal. Just to see the reaction in here. It’s priceless.

"This is bad, our leaders aren't competent, lots of people will be very unhappy, I am upset."

The hysterics! Calm down snowflakes!

Karl wrote:

Denster wrote:I think I actually want a no deal. Just to see the reaction in here. It’s priceless.

"This is bad, our leaders aren't competent, lots of people will be very unhappy, I am upset."

The hysterics! Calm down snowflakes!

It’s ridiculous to think that the Tory government might do away with red tape?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03 ... e-choking/

It’s ridiculous to think that the Tory government might reduce workers rights?

http://www.ier.org.uk/news/7-employment ... er-tory-pm

It’s ridiculous to think that the Tory government might cut the welfare state?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 05556.html

Proper tinfoil hat stuff! And all that is before we leave the EU, once we lose EU protections it’s hardly ridiculous to think the Tories will go further.

I don't think it is tinfoil hat gooseberry fool. They have a proven track record of eroding rights. Things will only get worse.

I can only hope that, if Corbyn becomes PM at some point, he restores the rights and regulations we lost under the Tories' awful regime, even if Brexit goes ahead in full.

Squinty wrote:I don't think it is tinfoil hat gooseberry fool. They have a proven track record of eroding rights. Things will only get worse.

D:Reams remix really hasn't gone down well.

Alvin Flummux wrote:I can only hope that, if Corbyn becomes PM at some point, he restores the rights and regulations we lost under the Tories' awful regime, even if Brexit goes ahead in full.

If he ever became Prime Minister (and I don’t think he will) then I would expect him to strengthen employment rights, welfare etc. I don’t like the man, but I wouldn’t worry about him deliberately screwing over the poorer members of society.

But he’ll be 73 in 2022, even if he managed a full term, is he really going to run again at the age of 78 in 2027?

Undoing the Tory damage to people rights/welfare will take a long time, Corbyn doesn’t have that time.

Brexit will still be strawberry floating up the country in 2022 to 2027 which added to Corbyn’s planned spending will give the Tories plenty of ammo against him (borrowing too much, tax is too high, the economy isn’t improving etc).

Any Corbyn government is doomed (even if they did a decent job) and they will not undo everything that Cameron/May have done. And then the Tories will be back in 2027.

I don't see Corbyn ever being Prime Minister.

Despite all the cheering from his supporters - he lost the election. And despite their bloody nose and lose of seats, the Tory result (in terms of votes) wasn't as terrible as it initially appears.

Corbyn had the advantage of being the unexpected underdog against the worst GE campaign in recent memory.

They won't make that mistake again - he'll be up against a coherent opponent next time. He failed at his best chance IMO, can't see him winning another go round

Moggy wrote:

Karl wrote:

Denster wrote:I think I actually want a no deal. Just to see the reaction in here. It’s priceless.

"This is bad, our leaders aren't competent, lots of people will be very unhappy, I am upset."

The hysterics! Calm down snowflakes!

It’s ridiculous to think that the Tory government might do away with red tape?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03 ... e-choking/

It’s ridiculous to think that the Tory government might reduce workers rights?

http://www.ier.org.uk/news/7-employment ... er-tory-pm

It’s ridiculous to think that the Tory government might cut the welfare state?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 05556.html

Proper tinfoil hat stuff! And all that is before we leave the EU, once we lose EU protections it’s hardly ridiculous to think the Tories will go further.

Yes. Especially with that huge majority they have. That unified front they have and agreement on everything.

Oh wait...


Any legislation we push through will have to be subject to approval by the DUP and will be subject to challenge from a much more robust and confident opposition.

If we’d got the 100 majority May thought we’d get - maybe you’d have more cause for concern.

This myth that Tories are some monstrous soulless devils and they only exist to serve the rich and keep the working man down. It’s nonsense.

They can’t agree on the price of a pint of milk right now. What makes you think that will change.

If anything - their infighting and inability to maintain any semblance of unity will be their downfall. It always has been.

I'm not sure I would ever want to see him as PM. But I feel like he is more sincere in his desire to help the poor. But then that is hardly a compliment given the current government.

Denster wrote:Yes. Especially with that huge majority they have. That unified front they have and agreement on everything.

Oh wait...


Any legislation we push through will have to be subject to approval by the DUP and will be subject to challenge from a much more robust and confident opposition.

If we’d got the 100 majority May thought we’d get - maybe you’d have more cause for concern.

This myth that Tories are some monstrous soulless devils and they only exist to serve the rich and keep the working man down. It’s nonsense.

They can’t agree on the price of a pint of milk right now. What makes you think that will change.

If anything - their infighting and inability to maintain any semblance of unity will be their downfall. It always has been.

That post is a weird mix of “we” and “they”.

Your entire argument there relys on the DUP (along with a bit of Tory infighting) to protect ordinary people from the excesses of Tory devilry.

That fills me with confidence.

It’s hardly a myth that Tories are monstrous soulless devils. Have you ever seen Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg?

Sorry for deviating?

We are not all soulless devils? Exactly why are those two?

What have they done that qualifies them for that label?