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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
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80%
Leave the European Union
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20%
 
Total votes: 279
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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:07 pm

I did. It wasn't too bad, maybe I've been hardened by some of the mouth breathing idiots who end up on Question Time. There were legitimate concerns raised.

What struck me was how divided everything really is. There were remain and leave voters squabbling at each other. I guess it really rammed home how no one will be happy over the outcome of this (if we even get to the end of negotiations).

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by Moggy » Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:03 pm


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PostRe: Brexit
by Photek » Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:09 pm

Moggy wrote:

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PostRe: Brexit
by bear » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:46 am

http://www.rte.ie/amp/910662/

An internal report by the Revenue Commissioners has spelled out the enormous physical and economic impact Brexit will impose upon both Ireland’s customs infrastructure, and on the tens of thousands of companies who trade with the UK.

The unpublished report, seen by RTÉ News, sets out in stark detail the vast increase in paperwork, human resources and physical space requirements at ports and airports.

The report also declares that an open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic will be impossible from a customs perspective.




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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:51 am

Theresa May under pressure over ‘secret advice’ on halting Brexit

Theresa May is under pressure to publish secret legal advice that is believed to state that parliament could still stop Brexit before the end of March 2019 if MPs judge that a change of mind is in the national interest. The move comes as concern grows that exit talks with Brussels are heading for disaster.

The calls for the prime minister to reveal advice from the country’s top legal experts follow government statements declaring that Brexit is now unstoppable, and that MPs will have to choose between whatever deal is on offer next year – even if it is a bad one – or no deal at all.

The prominent lawyer Jessica Simor QC, from Matrix chambers, has written to May asking her to release the legal advice under the Freedom of Information Act. Simor says she has been told by “two good sources” that the prime minister has been advised “that the article 50 notification can be withdrawn by the UK at any time before 29 March 2019 resulting in the UK remaining in the EU on its current favourable terms.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:55 am

Lagamorph wrote:Theresa May under pressure over ‘secret advice’ on halting Brexit

Theresa May is under pressure to publish secret legal advice that is believed to state that parliament could still stop Brexit before the end of March 2019 if MPs judge that a change of mind is in the national interest. The move comes as concern grows that exit talks with Brussels are heading for disaster.

The calls for the prime minister to reveal advice from the country’s top legal experts follow government statements declaring that Brexit is now unstoppable, and that MPs will have to choose between whatever deal is on offer next year – even if it is a bad one – or no deal at all.

The prominent lawyer Jessica Simor QC, from Matrix chambers, has written to May asking her to release the legal advice under the Freedom of Information Act. Simor says she has been told by “two good sources” that the prime minister has been advised “that the article 50 notification can be withdrawn by the UK at any time before 29 March 2019 resulting in the UK remaining in the EU on its current favourable terms.


Nothing in Article 50 says it cannot be withdrawn. I guess the EU could still demand we leave but I don’t think they would.

Unfortunately I don’t think Parliament will withdrawal it either.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:58 am

Plenty of EU leaders have said that they'd have no objections to it being cancelled, or it simply turning into a modification of the UK's membership rather than a full withdrawal.

I wonder if someone could take a case to the EU courts to force another referendum on the basis that the national government is acting against the best interests of the public.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Return_of_the_STAR » Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:04 am

I think it would be hillarious if we withdrew our request on the 28th March 2019. Although by that time the damage will have already been done to the city.

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PostRe: Brexit
by bear » Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:06 am

A second referendum would only return the same result if it was something forced on the people by the EU. It'd be mana from heaven for the "EU doesn't respect democracy" crowd.
The Telegraph are reporting that May is planning to commit billions towards preparing for a no deal Brexit. Her government seems willing to strawberry float the country for the next twenty years just to keep in power for a few more months. Absolute lunacy.



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bear wrote:http://www.rte.ie/amp/910662/

An internal report by the Revenue Commissioners has spelled out the enormous physical and economic impact Brexit will impose upon both Ireland’s customs infrastructure, and on the tens of thousands of companies who trade with the UK.

The unpublished report, seen by RTÉ News, sets out in stark detail the vast increase in paperwork, human resources and physical space requirements at ports and airports.

The report also declares that an open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic will be impossible from a customs perspective.




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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:06 am

Lagamorph wrote:Plenty of EU leaders have said that they'd have no objections to it being cancelled, or it simply turning into a modification of the UK's membership rather than a full withdrawal.

I wonder if someone could take a case to the EU courts to force another referendum on the basis that the national government is acting against the best interests of the public.


I can’t see a court case like that working. Despite the claims of Leave, the EU and the courts can’t override acts of Parliament like that.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Photek » Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:07 am

The EU would love it if the UK withdrew article 50. Apart from avoiding the headache of it all it would mean the EU ‘won’.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Cuttooth » Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:25 am

Lagamorph wrote:Plenty of EU leaders have said that they'd have no objections to it being cancelled, or it simply turning into a modification of the UK's membership rather than a full withdrawal.

I wonder if someone could take a case to the EU courts to force another referendum on the basis that the national government is acting against the best interests of the public.

I've seen a couple of people suggest that this is ultimately the main aim of the Tories' negotiating team. To use the referendum result as leverage to get a better deal than Cameron got then present it to the public as the best deal possible.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:27 am

Cuttooth wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:Plenty of EU leaders have said that they'd have no objections to it being cancelled, or it simply turning into a modification of the UK's membership rather than a full withdrawal.

I wonder if someone could take a case to the EU courts to force another referendum on the basis that the national government is acting against the best interests of the public.

I've seen a couple of people suggest that this is ultimately the main aim of the Tories' negotiating team. To use the referendum result as leverage to get a better deal than Cameron got then present it to the public as the best deal possible.


I’ve only seen that from two types of Leavers. One type who think they’re going to be “betrayed” and the other type that try to spread it in a hope that Remainers will believe it and so shut up.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Rocsteady » Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:51 am

Unforunately I agree with Moggy, there's no way that's going to be the case. The UK already had an amazing deal within the EU anyway.

What I wouldn't give for another referendum, particularly as this time it's pretty obvious as to what the economic consequences are going to be. At least at this point if we voted to leave again more people would be aware that they're only really voting to lessen outside influence on British governance rather than getting £350m for the NHS, etc.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Cuttooth » Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:18 pm

Moggy wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:Plenty of EU leaders have said that they'd have no objections to it being cancelled, or it simply turning into a modification of the UK's membership rather than a full withdrawal.

I wonder if someone could take a case to the EU courts to force another referendum on the basis that the national government is acting against the best interests of the public.

I've seen a couple of people suggest that this is ultimately the main aim of the Tories' negotiating team. To use the referendum result as leverage to get a better deal than Cameron got then present it to the public as the best deal possible.


I’ve only seen that from two types of Leavers. One type who think they’re going to be “betrayed” and the other type that try to spread it in a hope that Remainers will believe it and so shut up.


I've mainly seen it from this (basically random) pro-EU guy on Twitter. https://twitter.com/Staedtler

His argument is that the Tories have seen to misuse Article 50 as a means to negotiate a new, superior, exclusive treaty with the EU and nothing else. That's why they aren't bothering to do anything to sort out the multitude of enormous practical problems of leaving the EU because they don't think they'll ultimately have to.

Article 50 is only about countries being expelled from the Union and the Tories are trying to bypass that, but it won't work and will end up a catastrophe.

Personally I think the Brexit team simply don't know the answers to even the simplest problems with any of this but are terrified of backing down.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Xeno » Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:53 pm

Imagine if we had a bunch of politicians who actually had moral fortitude and the ability to say this is stupid, were better off now than we would be if we left.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:25 pm

May's party suspends two EU lawmakers over Brexit vote

Britain’s ruling Conservatives barred two of their own lawmakers in the European Parliament after they broke the party whip and voted for a motion demanding London do more to meet EU demands in Brexit talks.

“Julie Girling and ... Richard Ashworth were suspended from the Conservative Party last night after supporting a resolution ... to block Brexit talks moving forward,” the party said on Sunday in a statement that highlighted divisions over Britain’s move to quit the European Union in 18 months.

Prime Minister Theresa May supported the move. A government source said the two had behaved “totally irresponsibly”.

“They left the party no choice but to act,” Ashley Fox, leader of the 20-strong group, said in the statement, describing the decision of Ashworth and Girling, a former group leader and chief whip respectively, as “extremely regrettable”.

Girling, who like Ashworth and Fox opposed Brexit during last year’s referendum, defended her decision to vote with the overwhelming majority in Strasbourg on Tuesday on a non-binding resolution which urged EU leaders not to accept London’s request for talks on post-Brexit trade without further concessions.

“I did not vote to prevent trade talks,” she said, noting she called for such negotiations. However, she said in a statement that it was “patently obvious” that the EU’s test of “sufficient progress” on key divorce issues were not yet met.

Her vote, she said, put the interests of her constituents over party discipline and referred to support on the far-right for Britain to walk out without a deal: “I have never agreed to silently acquiesce as our country heads towards a cliff edge,” she said, describing that as “wanton economic self-harm”.

http://www.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... KKBN1CD0E4

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:08 am

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:13 am

Now the EU has all the cards and our ball.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:12 am

It's like she actually believes the "they need us more" gooseberry fool, they aren't going to do what you want, just keeping saying wheat we want or well just leave hasn't work so far stop just rewording it!

She really is a useless arse, she must realise this a total strawberry float up and is just hoping the EU will go, "ahh don't worry we'll give you everything so you don't have to look like a dick", it isn't going to happen love, either so this properly and stop making pointless speeches and hoping it will pan out or call it off because all your doing right now is strawberry floating everything for everyone all because you don't want to turn round to the gooseberry fool heads of your party and say "shut up it's a gooseberry fool idea get over it"


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