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I wonder if Farron's power play for the business sector and the middle ground is making her nervous (particularly his talk of MPs defecting)? Her majority is too slight at the moment to take too many defections/by elections. She'd certainly make significant gains in those labour seats where their majorities are small but on the flipside she'll probably lose a couple of seats to the Lib Dems in the remain areas.

Errkal wrote:Rise Lib Dems Rise!

They're definitely who I'm voting for at the next opportunity. My constituency was Lib Dem last time around but swung back to Labour at the last GE, so at least there's a possibility.
My area was also heavily leave though so....

If the Lib Dems can appeal to the "I voted Leave but I think I made a mistake" voters I think they could do very very well, realistically they are the only option now that Labour are headed by a monumental fuckwit.

Surely their main target is the 48% who voted Remain?

Rex Kramer wrote:Surely their main target is the 48% who voted Remain?

Absolutely, and its why they will make an absolute killing at the next election.

I am usually a Lib Dem voter (Clegg turned me away from them last time. Clegg

) but I like my current Labour MP even though I have nothing but contempt for the Labour leader. Farron is ok, but I am not sure that he will be able to hold back his religious views ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Farron#LGBT_rights ) when it comes to civil liberties.

Unless we have a snap election, I guess I have plenty of time to make a decision before the 2020 election!

Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:
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captain red dog wrote:
Moggy wrote:Parliament is going to have to pass up to 15 new bills in order to deliver Brexit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39322297

So after a year of nothing really getting done due to Brexit, we are likely to have at least another 2 years of nothing getting done thanks to Brexit.

Yay!

Well parliament might have to actually work full time, it amazes me how they can justify a massive summer recess every year! That's one of the things with live streaming on BBC parliament, you tune in for an important debate and the chamber is less than a third full. Granted that's not the only function of Parliament but its terrible optics.

That's one of the common misunderstandings of how the British Parliament works. People seem to think that if they are not in Parliament itself that it means they are not doing anything.

A "full time" Parliament with every single MP attending would mean that there is no chance of anybody ever meeting their MP at a local surgery. It would mean MPs not visiting local business/schools/hospitals/whatever. It would mean no foreign diplomatic/business trips.

There are also not enough seats for everybody to turn up at the same time.

Which is why they should modernise a bit and allow better conferencing, remote voting or whatever to allow better attendance and so a better parliament.

They probably should but that still doesn't change the fact that they need time away from Parliament (whether physically or remotely) in order to carry out their jobs.

I still don't think parliament has been modernised enough to meet the demands of the modern world. Every summer we seem to have calls to recall parliament because of some crisis because they all seem to bugger off for two months and that time certainly isn't spent meeting constituents.

captain red dog wrote:they all seem to bugger off for two months and that time certainly isn't spent meeting constituents.

Well I am sure they all have a holiday in the summer, I can't see anything wrong with that.

But you are wrong if you think they don't meet constituents. I can't be arsed tracking every single MPs schedule for the entire summer, but a quick Google search of "MP Summer Surgery" shows that they do tour their constituencies in the summer. https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q= ... ry&*&spf=1

Rex Kramer wrote:I wonder if Farron's power play for the business sector and the middle ground is making her nervous (particularly his talk of MPs defecting)? Her majority is too slight at the moment to take too many defections/by elections. She'd certainly make significant gains in those labour seats where their majorities are small but on the flipside she'll probably lose a couple of seats to the Lib Dems in the remain areas.

It's probably a gamble worth taking. They might lose a few areas but overall they'll probably gain and the opposition will be more fragmented than now.

Yes let's all vote Lib Dem to stop the Conservatives. What a fine idea with a strong history of success.

Tineash wrote:Yes let's all vote Lib Dem to stop the Conservatives. What a fine idea with a strong history of success.

If everyone voted for the Lib Dems then it would successfully stop the Conservatives...

Tineash wrote:Yes let's all vote Lib Dem to stop the Conservatives. What a fine idea with a strong history of success.

History has moved on.

DML wrote:
Tineash wrote:Yes let's all vote Lib Dem to stop the Conservatives. What a fine idea with a strong history of success.

History has moved on.

If the seat distribution had been a little different in 2015, Nick Clegg and his small band of MPs would be loyal handmaidens to Cameron's second term agenda right now.

For me, it rather punctures the appeal of Farron's sanctimonious lectures.

Tineash wrote:
DML wrote:
Tineash wrote:Yes let's all vote Lib Dem to stop the Conservatives. What a fine idea with a strong history of success.

History has moved on.

If the seat distribution had been a little different in 2015, Nick Clegg and his small band of MPs would be loyal handmaidens to Cameron's second term agenda right now.

For me, it rather punctures the appeal of Farron's sanctimonious lectures.

Clegg's gone and I would imagine they have realised that jumping in bed with the Tories is not a good move for their future careers.

You know Clegg's still an MP though, right? He's literally 12.5% of the PLDP

Tineash wrote:You know Clegg's still an MP though, right? He's literally 12.5% of the PLDP

You know he isn't the leader though right?

Tineash wrote:You know Clegg's still an MP though, right? He's literally 12.5% of the PLDP

I am literally 50% of my department at the moment (actually 100% right now as my colleague just went for a piss) but I wouldn't describe myself as in charge of it or as somebody that is forcing us to jump into bed with our rivals.

Damn, my colleague just came back and now I am back to 50% control.

I'm in a position right now where I can't and won't vote for either of the two main parties. I won't vote Tory because, well, Tories, and Labour are complicit in most of the damage the Tories are inflicting. So I'm left with Lib Dems and Greens (the latter is how I voted last time).

Tineash wrote:You know Clegg's still an MP though, right? He's literally 12.5% of the PLDP

You realise May and Corbyn are in power of the other parties? Your argument for me is completely invalid whilst those two exist.

Nick Griffin hopes to emigrate in the next 6 months and hopes Hungary will accept him as a refugee.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 38131.html

:lol:

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