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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
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80%
Leave the European Union
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20%
 
Total votes: 279
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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:56 pm

SOLUTIO!!!!!

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:27 pm

The House of Lords are voting on the customs union right now.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:49 pm

The Lords have just voted in favour of keeping the entire UK in a customs union after Brexit.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:05 pm

Lagamorph wrote:The Lords have just voted in favour of keeping the entire UK in a customs union after Brexit.

348-225


Democracy is overrated, unelected peers ftw!

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:40 pm

twitter.com/BBCParliament/status/986670578160623616


Submarine preparing to crush the saboteurs any day now...

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lex-Man » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:54 pm

The daily mail is going to have a field day tomorrow.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:55 pm

I can't believe those europhile unelected lords did this!!!!

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:15 pm

Disappointing

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:48 am

None of the papers seem to have picked it up for the front pages.

Odd. :?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:50 am

I'm surprised there was a "kill the traitors" or something.

Are the papers starting to turn now that brexit will cause most of their readers to not afford papers

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PostRe: Brexit
by satriales » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:58 am

The bill wasn't about whether we stay in the customs union, but that the government has to explain what they have done to try and keep us in the customs union.
They can literally just say "we've done nothing" and that will satisfy this bill.

More likely they'll release a few sentences of waffle that sounds better than that, but they aren't actually going to change anything.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:16 am

satriales wrote:The bill wasn't about whether we stay in the customs union, but that the government has to explain what they have done to try and keep us in the customs union.
They can literally just say "we've done nothing" and that will satisfy this bill.

More likely they'll release a few sentences of waffle that sounds better than that, but they aren't actually going to change anything.


But it’s a sign that the Lords will not just accept the government line on Brexit and will strike down bills in the future.

It’s odd that the Mail, Express and Sun have not used this as an opportunity to put pressure on the Lords before a more important bill comes up.

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:25 pm

The Guardian wrote:Sunder Katwala, who runs the British Future thinktank, which focuses on migration and identity, says Michael Gove was right to say that British attitudes towards immigration have become more tolerant since the referendum.

On his Twitter feed Katwala flags up various bits of research that back up this view.

twitter.com/sundersays/status/986873285748166656



Rob Ford, an academic specialising in this topic, looks at the evidence in this Medium article. He cites various sets of data, but the key figures are probably the ones in this chart.

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Ford explains:

Here’s the impacts data. This comes from the British Election Study panel fielded by YouGov on a regular basis to a very large representative sample of respondents. The panel regularly asks people whether they think immigration is good or bad for the economy, and whether they think it enriches or undermines cultural life.

There is a big, sustained jump in the share of positive responses on both of these measures after the Brexit vote (shown by the red dashed line). Immigration optimists now significantly outnumber pessimists on the economic measure, while on the cultural measure optimists and pessimists are now balanced. Before Brexit, pessimists were the larger group on both measures.


And he questions why this might be.

Why has this change happened? Immigration policy hasn’t changed, and while migration levels have dropped somewhat, they remain high by historical standards and a long way above the government’s “tens of thousands” net migration target. The vote to leave the EU didn’t change anything on its own. Yet voters across the political spectrum seem to have taken it as a cue to worry about immigration less, and appreciate it more. Why?

Michael Gove had an answer on Today - although, as I pointed out earlier, hate crime figures tell a different story.

Katwala also refers to this Ipsos MORI report from last year looking at attitudes to immigration. It includes this chart showing how attitudes have become more positive since the referendum.

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When Gove said on Today that the UK was now the most immigration-friendly country in the EU, he seemed to be referring to this Eurobarometer study published recently. The full report (pdf) runs to 271 pages, and it is not entirely clear on what metric Gove thinks the UK comes out top (I’ve tried his office, but they have not got back to me), but the UK is third best out of the 28 EU countries on the measure of whether people are happy having an immigrant as a neighbour - which is close enough to justify Gove’s claim.

Here is the chart from page 41.

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And this is what the report says about these findings.

Among those who feel totally comfortable [having an immigrant as a neighbour], the highest proportions are found in Sweden (82%) and the Netherlands (76%), followed by the United Kingdom (72%) and Ireland (70%). In 11 countries, less than three in ten (30%) give this answer, with the lowest proportion found in Hungary (9%), and less than a fifth giving this answer in Bulgaria (14%) and the Czech Republic (16%).

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:30 pm

British attitudes might have softened.

The British government attitude obviously hasn't.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:11 pm

Moggy wrote:British attitudes might have softened.

The British government attitude obviously hasn't.


Well they have to respect democracy and that ended at the referendum as that was democracy to end all democracy anything happening as a result of that democracy is democracy and if you say otherwise you are rejecting democracy.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:19 pm

It’s pretty scary on that graph that even with a jump upwards, less than 45% of British people are positive about the cultural impacts of immigration.

We might be one of the better countries in Europe, but we are still infested with xenophobic banana splits.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:21 pm

It isn't racism or xenophobia it is nation pride mate!

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:35 pm

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:41 pm

twitter.com/geraldjmcgrath/status/986925628925587456



twitter.com/carrie_p_/status/986929681600524289



:lol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:00 pm

Exclusive: EU rejects Theresa May's Brexit Irish border solution as doubts grow over whether UK can leave customs union

The EU has comprehensively rejected British proposals for avoiding a hard border in Northern Ireland in a move which will cast serious doubt on the UK’s ability to leave the customs union, The Telegraph has learned.

Senior EU diplomatic sources said that Mrs May’s plan for avoiding a hard border in Northern Ireland was subjected to a “systematic and forensic annihilation” this week at a meeting between senior EU officials and Olly Robbins, the UK’s lead Brexit negotiator.

“It was a detailed and forensic rebuttal,” added the source who was directly briefed on the meeting in Brussels on Wednesday. “It was made clear that none of the UK’s customs options will work. None of them.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... -solution/

So no border drone army? :(


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