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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
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Leave the European Union
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Total votes: 279
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PostRe: Brexit
by tolrag » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:49 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Lastpostamorph wrote:Global powers lobby to stop special Brexit deal for UK

To the surprise of nobody with an ounce of common sense, other trade partners of the EU don't want the UK getting a better deal than they got.

One EU source close to the talks said: “We have been approached by a number of [non-member] countries expressing concerns and making it clear that it would constitute a major problem for them if suddenly the UK were to get better terms than they get.”

The official said that once the UK is out of the single market and customs union in March 2019, there could be no replication of the terms of the current trading relationship, or anything close to it, and no special treatment.


I’m actually quite surprised by this. Shouldn’t they be hoping that Britain gets a great deal as it means they can go back to the negotiating table with the EU and try to improve their deals? After all that’s what happens in the business world. But then most politicians haven’t had real jobs so have little experience of the real world.


I also disagree with the ‘official’, we can get a better trade deal than other countries with the EU but we will likely have to pay for it. Aside from the European counties who are not in the EU but have single market access none of the other countries pay for their trade deals. If the UK pays for access, which is what I think will happen, then they can’t really moan.


That's kind of an ignorant way to look at it, like people comparing national debt to credit cards. International trade deals are nothing like business deals (as the continuing farce that is Donald Trumps attempts to "make deals" clearly shows.

Other nations will expect the EU to give Britain the same treatment they got: to put the interests of its own members first and obtain the best arrangement from its position of strength. And why wouldn't they?


Fees will only get you (very) basic single market access. What you're describing sounds more like bribery.

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:46 pm

People see what they want to see...

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PostRe: Brexit
by Return_of_the_STAR » Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:13 pm

tolrag wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Lastpostamorph wrote:Global powers lobby to stop special Brexit deal for UK

To the surprise of nobody with an ounce of common sense, other trade partners of the EU don't want the UK getting a better deal than they got.

One EU source close to the talks said: “We have been approached by a number of [non-member] countries expressing concerns and making it clear that it would constitute a major problem for them if suddenly the UK were to get better terms than they get.”

The official said that once the UK is out of the single market and customs union in March 2019, there could be no replication of the terms of the current trading relationship, or anything close to it, and no special treatment.


I’m actually quite surprised by this. Shouldn’t they be hoping that Britain gets a great deal as it means they can go back to the negotiating table with the EU and try to improve their deals? After all that’s what happens in the business world. But then most politicians haven’t had real jobs so have little experience of the real world.


I also disagree with the ‘official’, we can get a better trade deal than other countries with the EU but we will likely have to pay for it. Aside from the European counties who are not in the EU but have single market access none of the other countries pay for their trade deals. If the UK pays for access, which is what I think will happen, then they can’t really moan.


That's kind of an ignorant way to look at it, like people comparing national debt to credit cards. International trade deals are nothing like business deals (as the continuing farce that is Donald Trumps attempts to "make deals" clearly shows.

Other nations will expect the EU to give Britain the same treatment they got: to put the interests of its own members first and obtain the best arrangement from its position of strength. And why wouldn't they?


Fees will only get you (very) basic single market access. What you're describing sounds more like bribery.


Disagree entirely. It’s not ignorant to have an opinion. Seeing someone else get a better deal than you and thus leading to you going back to try to negotiate a better deal for yourself is in no way bribery. All the different countries have different deals. Canada’s newly negotiated deal for example is not as good as Turkeys. Should Canada be complaining that turkey has a better deal? South Korea’s is not as comprehensive as Canada’s. As SK agreed their deal before Canada shouldn’t they have been kicking off about Canada getting a better deal?

A trade deal is a two way thing. Each partnership is unique and not comparable. The UK for example will have different things to offer the EU than other countries do. In the same way that other counties have things that the EU want that we don’t.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:37 am

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PostRe: Brexit
by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:22 pm


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PostRe: Brexit
by Hexx » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:56 am

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:21 am

I think Paul Merton summed it up quite well on Friday: the guy is just a bit thick.

He was on TV on Sunday, radio on Monday, and didn't achieve anything.

The triple threat of Gove, Davis and Johnson undermine May at every turn.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Hexx » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:44 am

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PostRe: Brexit
by Cuttooth » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:09 pm

No longer can people say it's anyone other than the likes of Davis who are "talking Britain down".

What a complete moron.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:24 pm

Who could've seen that response coming.

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:58 pm

BBC News wrote:It will only take a couple of minutes for EU citizens to register online to stay in the UK after Brexit, Home Office minister Brandon Lewis has said.

There would, he said, be a "presumption in favour" of approving applications when the process begins late next year and people should hear in two weeks.
He promised the system would be much simpler than before and there would be "no more 85-page documents" to fill in.

Theresa May has urged all three million EU nationals to stay after March 2019.

A reciprocal deal on the rights of EU nationals in the UK and British expats on the continent is part of the stage-one agreement approved by the European Commission on Friday - which is expected to be rubber-stamped by all 28 EU members later this week.

Mr Lewis told the Lords EU Justice sub-committee that Friday's agreement meant people "can be confident they do not have to do anything immediately".

When they do begin to apply for what the government has described as "settled status", he said the system would be far simpler than those applying for permanent residency in the past have had to deal with.

Anyone who has already gone through the process of becoming permanent residents may not have to pay a fee to apply again, Mr Lewis said, while for others charges would be capped at about £72.50 - the cost that Britons pay to renew their passports.

The immigration minister said the Home Office always had a duty to be rigorous when it came to considering residency applications.

But he admitted the current system was "overly complicated and bureaucratic" and the authorities' approach would have to change when it came to Brexit because of the sheer numbers of people affected.

"There is a presumption that they will be granted," he said. "The only circumstance I can see someone not being granted settled status is if the criminal records check show they are a criminal, or if someone was trying to claim to be an EU citizen in the UK and they were not - a fraudulent application."

'Nirvana of simplicity'

Ministers hope the new system will be up and running in the second half of 2018.

Existing permanent residents who have to reapply will either pay a reduced rate or not pay at all, he added.

Most applications, he said, would only take a couple of weeks to process, while those granted settled status would have "broadly the same rights" as British citizens.

But Labour peer Lord Cashman said the uncertainty many EU citizens were facing was "not imagined".

He called for all EU citizens who already qualify for permanent residence to be registered immediately under a fast-track process.

And Lib Dem peer Baroness Ludford said a lot of existing EU citizens were experiencing a "great deal of hassle" and she questioned how the system would produce the "nirvana of simplicity" expected by ministers.

Citing cases where EU citizens who had lived in the UK for decades had received letters asking them to leave, she claimed "there was an attempt by the Home Office to create a hostile environment".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42322018

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You may as well write the entire article right now, and just leave space for the time and date.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Return_of_the_STAR » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:16 pm

I don't understand why May feels she has to keep someone like David Davis in her cabinet. We are led to believe that the majority of Tory MPs didn't want brexit and would want as soft a brexit as possible. So surely they would support this and want someone like Davis off the negotiating team?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:21 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I don't understand why May feels she has to keep someone like David Davis in her cabinet. We are led to believe that the majority of Tory MPs didn't want brexit and would want as soft a brexit as possible. So surely they would support this and want someone like Davis off the negotiating team?

The Daily Mail and the Daily Express love him which is all the reason May needs.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:27 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I don't understand why May feels she has to keep someone like David Davis in her cabinet. We are led to believe that the majority of Tory MPs didn't want brexit and would want as soft a brexit as possible. So surely they would support this and want someone like Davis off the negotiating team?


Brexit is only official once somebody does the black route at Saltwood Castle.

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PostRe: Brexit
by captain red dog » Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:49 pm

Lastpostamorph wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I don't understand why May feels she has to keep someone like David Davis in her cabinet. We are led to believe that the majority of Tory MPs didn't want brexit and would want as soft a brexit as possible. So surely they would support this and want someone like Davis off the negotiating team?

The Daily Mail and the Daily Express love him which is all the reason May needs.

Yep, same goes with Gove. As rumour has it, he was given a cabinet position at the behest of Rupert Murdoch. I'm inclined to believe that rumour as I don't see any reason why anybody would have Gove in the cabinet.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Rex Kramer » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:11 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I don't understand why May feels she has to keep someone like David Davis in her cabinet. We are led to believe that the majority of Tory MPs didn't want brexit and would want as soft a brexit as possible. So surely they would support this and want someone like Davis off the negotiating team?

It's always worth having someone around who is considerably more stupid than you are. That way, when it all goes wrong, you can just point at the idiot in the corner.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:38 am

Even the Express are now facing up to Project Reality. :slol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:39 am

I wouldn't really call it a shock.... 48% of the voters have been saying it for some time.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:42 am

Christmas CrackErrkal wrote:I wouldn't really call it a shock.... 48% of the voters have been saying it for some time.


It's a shock for those that are only just coming to terms with the fact that Diana is dead.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:13 am

Can't get access to that article weirdly. I'm interested to read how they are only coming to this conclusion now.


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