Brexit

I think all politicians are motivated by both the public good and their own careers. There are different levels of in everyone but they all care about both to some degree.

I think the problem is that a lot of people get into a state of double think where they kind of know they're messing thinks up but somehow convince themselves is actually for the best.

Also a lot of Tories actually believe that by making people's lives harder they are compelling them to work harder and achieve greater things. This is probably because a lot of Tories have never been particularity poor, even if they didn't come from money.

I think a lot of Tories think more about the country and our international standing as the important think about this country rather than the poor people living here, who are more of a burden to the greatness of the country than actually humans.

Politicians being quite competitive generally think that everyone benefits from competition hence why they tend to privatise stuff. I think it might be useful to get people into power for a less competitive by nature but are still very competent.

Brexit: Official document raises prospect of tampering with workers' rights to boost economy

Government officials have raised the prospect that hard-won workers’ rights could be reviewed by the Government after Brexit to boost Britain’s economy.

A Whitehall impact assessment singles out workers’ protections – such as preventing people from being forced to work too many hours – as an area that might be used for “maximising regulatory opportunities” after withdrawal.

MPs who have seen the document claimed it shows ministers are considering weakening employment rights post-Brexit – with one branding the paper an “absolute disgrace”.

Lagamorph wrote:Brexit: Official document raises prospect of tampering with workers' rights to boost economy

Government officials have raised the prospect that hard-won workers’ rights could be reviewed by the Government after Brexit to boost Britain’s economy.

A Whitehall impact assessment singles out workers’ protections – such as preventing people from being forced to work too many hours – as an area that might be used for “maximising regulatory opportunities” after withdrawal.

MPs who have seen the document claimed it shows ministers are considering weakening employment rights post-Brexit – with one branding the paper an “absolute disgrace”.

Well I never saw that coming.

All the left wingers that supported leaving the EU are not going to know what hit them once we are out of the EU and a Tory government has free reign over workers rights.

One of their big arguments was the working time directive.
Which anybody who wanted to was free to opt out of anyway.

Moggy wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:Brexit: Official document raises prospect of tampering with workers' rights to boost economy

Government officials have raised the prospect that hard-won workers’ rights could be reviewed by the Government after Brexit to boost Britain’s economy.

A Whitehall impact assessment singles out workers’ protections – such as preventing people from being forced to work too many hours – as an area that might be used for “maximising regulatory opportunities” after withdrawal.

MPs who have seen the document claimed it shows ministers are considering weakening employment rights post-Brexit – with one branding the paper an “absolute disgrace”.

Well I never saw that coming.

All the left wingers that supported leaving the EU are not going to know what hit them once we are out of the EU and a Tory government has free reign over workers rights.

I'm soooo surprised by this news.

Is this what Jeremy Corbyn meant by a "Jobs First" Brexit?

Discovered today that the mother in law voted leave because "parliament never listen to us"

Errkal wrote:Discovered today that the mother in law voted leave because "parliament never listen to us"

My local council never listens to me, so I burned my own house down.

That showed ‘em!

Moggy wrote:

Errkal wrote:Discovered today that the mother in law voted leave because "parliament never listen to us"

My local council never listens to me, so I burned my own house down.

That showed ‘em!

Pretty much, when she said I went right let's the conversation here because it will only end in an argument.

It also turns out she is a big corbyn fan and I don't like him because I don't understand what socialism is about.

Evil Ted wrote:Is this what Jeremy Corbyn meant by a "Jobs First" Brexit?

I think after Brexit the money will go away first, the jobs will go second.

I wonder if how long it'll take before the problems start to set in. I think it might take a little while for the problems to really set in maybe six months.

Moggy wrote:All the left wingers that supported leaving the EU are not going to know what hit them once we are out of the EU and a Tory government has free reign over workers rights.

I think the vast majority of people that supported leaving the EU are not going to know what will hit them.

Moggy wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:Brexit: Official document raises prospect of tampering with workers' rights to boost economy

Government officials have raised the prospect that hard-won workers’ rights could be reviewed by the Government after Brexit to boost Britain’s economy.

A Whitehall impact assessment singles out workers’ protections – such as preventing people from being forced to work too many hours – as an area that might be used for “maximising regulatory opportunities” after withdrawal.

MPs who have seen the document claimed it shows ministers are considering weakening employment rights post-Brexit – with one branding the paper an “absolute disgrace”.

Well I never saw that coming.

All the left wingers that supported leaving the EU are not going to know what hit them once we are out of the EU and a Tory government has free reign over workers rights.

Simple solution, elect a left wing government. Its not like left wing voters and the working class haven't been suffering for the last decade already.

captain red dog wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:Brexit: Official document raises prospect of tampering with workers' rights to boost economy

Government officials have raised the prospect that hard-won workers’ rights could be reviewed by the Government after Brexit to boost Britain’s economy.

A Whitehall impact assessment singles out workers’ protections – such as preventing people from being forced to work too many hours – as an area that might be used for “maximising regulatory opportunities” after withdrawal.

MPs who have seen the document claimed it shows ministers are considering weakening employment rights post-Brexit – with one branding the paper an “absolute disgrace”.

Well I never saw that coming.

All the left wingers that supported leaving the EU are not going to know what hit them once we are out of the EU and a Tory government has free reign over workers rights.

Simple solution, elect a left wing government. Its not like left wing voters and the working class haven't been suffering for the last decade already.

That’s like saying “I’m poor but I can always win the lottery!”.

Corbyn’s Labour isn’t going to win the next election and we therefore have a Tory until at least 2027. Good luck preserving left wing policies for the 8 years between leaving the EU and getting a realistic chance of electing a non-Tory government.

captain red dog wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:Brexit: Official document raises prospect of tampering with workers' rights to boost economy

Government officials have raised the prospect that hard-won workers’ rights could be reviewed by the Government after Brexit to boost Britain’s economy.

A Whitehall impact assessment singles out workers’ protections – such as preventing people from being forced to work too many hours – as an area that might be used for “maximising regulatory opportunities” after withdrawal.

MPs who have seen the document claimed it shows ministers are considering weakening employment rights post-Brexit – with one branding the paper an “absolute disgrace”.

Well I never saw that coming.

All the left wingers that supported leaving the EU are not going to know what hit them once we are out of the EU and a Tory government has free reign over workers rights.

Simple solution, elect a left wing government. Its not like left wing voters and the working class haven't been suffering for the last decade already.

Dream on! Corbyn is unelectable. And I hate the bloody Torys too.

We find ourselves in a desperately sad situation.

captain red dog wrote:Simple solution, elect a left wing government. Its not like left wing voters and the working class haven't been suffering for the last decade already.

Never going to happen. The voters have started seeing sense regarding Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott's lies. The trend towards Momentum is reversing.

I could see Corbyn getting in but it'll be off the back off a really bad brexit.

Regginator3 wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Simple solution, elect a left wing government. Its not like left wing voters and the working class haven't been suffering for the last decade already.

Never going to happen. The voters have started seeing sense regarding Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott's lies. The trend towards Momentum is reversing.

While some of the more radical leftwing ideas aren't gaining traction I think the era of austerity has to be coming to an end.
The NHS, police and armed forces all desperately need a cash injection or they are just going to start falling apart. They also can't afford any more to take money from other places as they've also been stripped to the bone so either we need tax rises or some more borrowing must be done.
We could also use things like HS3 and other public transport ideas for the north as at the moment it's underfunded with London soaking up most of the funding (although I do think crossrail 2 is something that's desperately needed or maybe a cheaper option would be to refurbish some of the more overcrowded stations) and Wales could also use a few decent links as well.

My point is the idea of austerity is great in theory and I support it but it's getting to a point of diminishing returns and starting to actually harm the economy.

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lex-man wrote:I could see Corbyn getting in but it'll be off the back off a really bad brexit.

It’d have to be an apocalyptic Brexit and in that case I don’t think it’ll matter who’s in charge.