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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
222
80%
Leave the European Union
57
20%
 
Total votes: 279
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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:21 pm

DML wrote:
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Tineash wrote:10 troglodytes cannot be in charge of the future of the whole strawberry floating country.


And yet....


Thing is, they may hold the power right now, but whatever way they swing they lose. They either encourage a United Ireland, a border they don't want or a Corbyn government. Mid to long term they can't win.


And whatever way they swing they can't really win either.

I don't think being rational and decent human beings is part of the DUP makeup.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Photek » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:25 pm

As others have stated, the DUP are doing more for a United Ireland than anyone else.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:28 pm


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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:03 pm

Dominic Grieve and Anna Soubry speaking a lot of sense in the Commons today.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Rex Kramer » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:33 pm

That'll be a few more death threats for her then.

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PostRe: Brexit
by BID0 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:34 pm

A few choice YouTube clips from my recommended feed this afternoon :slol:




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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:01 pm


This only reflects opinions up until October, wonder how it looks after the events of this week...

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:09 pm

To paraphrase Richard Osman on HIGNFY a few weeks ago, there's no reason Brexit can't be a success, you just need a government that knows what they're doing, who has a plan, to actually deliver and implement it properly. At the moment everyone is pulling in different directions because Brexit is something different to different people.

It's like when you do YouGov or IPSOS polling, there's usually a pretty substantial list of options asking what Brexit you think the government should adopt, and it requires a pretty decent grasp of what things like the customs union, single market, WTO, ECJ etc actually are.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:10 pm

I'm stunned the "how would you vote again" stuff is so close still. Sure you may want out like but now you have seen the gooseberry fool show of how that will be managed and sill you think "yup, lets do this"

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:18 pm

KK wrote:To paraphrase Richard Osman on HIGNFY a few weeks ago, there's no reason Brexit can't be a success,


Except for all the reasons that mean it will not be?

It’s not just this government, pathetic, weak and useless as they are, the whole Brexit idea is flawed. Massively flawed.

What exactly is Brexit? Leaving the EU? Which means what exactly?

A hard Brexit with hard borders is guaranteed to be a disaster. It destroys our relationship with our biggest trading partners and rips up the Good Friday Agreement. And that’s without getting into more personal things like what happens to foreign people living here and UK people living abroad. It’s not possible to have a Hard Brexit while also letting Northern Ireland keep an open border (because everyone will want the same special treatment). It’s not possible to “pay nothing!” and also continue to trade as we do.

A soft Brexit could be achievable but would be pointless. A lot of the Leavers would feel betrayed and everyone else would wonder what the damn point was. If you are going to follow all the EU rules, why not just be in the EU and have a say over those rules?

There is no way even a competent government could do much with this, it is a flawed concept from start to finish.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:47 pm


Government was arguing against it earlier over some minor amendment technicality which they are free to change quite easily without any objection. They keep saying they don't want to breach the Good Friday Agreement and put a hard border in Ireland, but they refuse to put it in writing.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Tomous » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:53 pm

KK wrote:To paraphrase Richard Osman on HIGNFY a few weeks ago, there's no reason Brexit can't be a success


I disagree with that completely, there's a huge number of reasons which even a strong government would struggle to navigate successfully, and even if they did I just don't see how we could ever be in a stronger position than staying. It's just a bad idea from the start.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:00 pm

EU managed to do this:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/unitedkin ... udies.html
Brexit Impact Studies

The European Parliament has commissioned dozens of impact assessments or studies on Brexit from experts, across a broad range of policy areas, which are publicly available online. This webpage will be regularly updated to include further relevant publications.

We're somehow incapable of doing the same, or maybe certain people just don't want to face the truth and make it public.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:05 pm


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PostRe: Brexit
by lex-man » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:24 pm

Garth wrote:EU managed to do this:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/unitedkin ... udies.html
Brexit Impact Studies

The European Parliament has commissioned dozens of impact assessments or studies on Brexit from experts, across a broad range of policy areas, which are publicly available online. This webpage will be regularly updated to include further relevant publications.

We're somehow incapable of doing the same, or maybe certain people just don't want to face the truth and make it public.


I saw the comments on a Telegraph article and everyone there seemed to be of the position that these studies are all wrong anyway and you can't predict the future. So this whole thing is an unimportant distraction.

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PostRe: Brexit
by NickSCFC » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:27 pm

I see this being dragged out to the point where the public no longer has an apatite for it, it's like watching a car crash in slow motion.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:33 pm



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PostRe: Brexit
by Return_of_the_STAR » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:36 pm

NickSCFC wrote:I see this being dragged out to the point where the public no longer has an apatite for it, it's like watching a car crash in slow motion.


The problem is I don't think the government would recognise if public opinion has changed. I'm confident that a vote now would be majority remain but I don't see it happening.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:45 pm

Looks like the government was going to lose the vote on the amendment to protect the Good Friday Agreement:


Last minute save from further embarrassment.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:52 pm

Should've kept the vote, if only to see which MPs would basically vote against the GFA

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