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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
197
78%
Leave the European Union
56
22%
 
Total votes: 253
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PostRe: Brexit
by BID0 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:42 pm

Moggy wrote:
BID0 wrote:Here's the pie chart from the letter I got back in 2015

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29898083

Did anyone else get one? I have only had the one ever. It gave you a complete break down of every penny of the TAX/NI you paid that year and where it went.


I don’t remember ever receiving one.

I’d imagine Leavers will be split amongst two groups with that though. One group would say “even 1p wud b 2 much ITS R MONEY!!” and the other group would say it was all lies and we actually pay far more than the government would ever dare to admit.

I did think it could be propaganda at the time as I received mine just after The Conservatives won that general election, and the EU contribution is listed at the very top. However that BBC article dates back to 2014

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But the TUC has already dismissed this as "party political propaganda masquerading as neutral information".
It said the figures were designed to soften up the electorate for further spending cuts, and by implication, boost the Tory vote.


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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:45 pm

Eighthours wrote:
Moggy wrote:Interestingly, those comments show something Remainers have predicted all along. Any hardship or disasters in the future will not be the fault of Leavers, it will be the fault of the EU for “bullying us” and/or Remainers for “talking the country down”.

These people will never ever accept that they were wrong or that they were lied to.

As I said yesterday, it is easier to fool somebody than convince them that they have been fooled. And these people are the most foolish of all of the fools. It doesn't bode well for this country over the next 5-10 years when the angry and poor Leave voters start feeling the pinch and are looking to lash out.


The flip side of this is that any good news is immediately reported as 'Despite Brexit...' The fringes of both sides are rubbish. I really hope that mainstream Leave supporters aren't anything like those people you quoted.


You sound like the posters on BBC comments…. ;)

I only ever see the phrase “despite Brexit” when it is relevant to the story or is a quote from an industry expert.

It is in no way the same thing as Leavers that have gone from “We will be better off” to “the experts are lying” to “let’s wait and see what the figures are” to “I don’t care if we are worse off, it’s worth it” in the space of a year.
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PostRe: Brexit
by DML » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:49 pm

Eighthours wrote:
Moggy wrote:Interestingly, those comments show something Remainers have predicted all along. Any hardship or disasters in the future will not be the fault of Leavers, it will be the fault of the EU for “bullying us” and/or Remainers for “talking the country down”.

These people will never ever accept that they were wrong or that they were lied to.

As I said yesterday, it is easier to fool somebody than convince them that they have been fooled. And these people are the most foolish of all of the fools. It doesn't bode well for this country over the next 5-10 years when the angry and poor Leave voters start feeling the pinch and are looking to lash out.


The flip side of this is that any good news is immediately reported as 'Despite Brexit...' The fringes of both sides are rubbish. I really hope that mainstream Leave supporters aren't anything like those people you quoted.


Yep, saying 'Despite Brexit' is just as bad as being a willful and complete racist.
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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:30 pm

BID0 wrote:Here's the pie chart from the letter I got back in 2015

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29898083

Did anyone else get one? I have only had the one ever. It gave you a complete break down of every penny of the TAX/NI you paid that year and where it went.


I got one of these as well. I thought it was interesting at the time. I like being told these things.
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PostRe: Brexit
by Eighthours » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:43 pm

DML wrote:
Eighthours wrote:
Moggy wrote:Interestingly, those comments show something Remainers have predicted all along. Any hardship or disasters in the future will not be the fault of Leavers, it will be the fault of the EU for “bullying us” and/or Remainers for “talking the country down”.

These people will never ever accept that they were wrong or that they were lied to.

As I said yesterday, it is easier to fool somebody than convince them that they have been fooled. And these people are the most foolish of all of the fools. It doesn't bode well for this country over the next 5-10 years when the angry and poor Leave voters start feeling the pinch and are looking to lash out.


The flip side of this is that any good news is immediately reported as 'Despite Brexit...' The fringes of both sides are rubbish. I really hope that mainstream Leave supporters aren't anything like those people you quoted.


Yep, saying 'Despite Brexit' is just as bad as being a willful and complete racist.


:lol: Point taken.
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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:58 pm

A few more comments on that Taoiseach story.

Why cant anyone see that with no border the muslims will simply head for dublin, up to belfast and eithet settle there or straight for the ferry to england. Either way they will still keep coming, just using a different border crossing


You bet Varadakar is sweating.

UK is a massive net contributor to EU funds and IR is a large net recipient.

UK taxpayers are paying his wages and financing his arrogance.


WE are not irish citizens , for your the ill informed murphy. we wont be EUROPEAN [with a big E] very soon. and if I want to know what "pip squeak" irish p.m's. opinion on the new NORTHERN IRELAND border is I will learn german and go talk to angela to find out what he is allowed to think and then ignore it.


Where did this little bit of nothing crawl out from to order us around?

This is something that the UK government should stamp down on hard.They listen to the British people not to a foreign upstart.


If Varadkar is really set on maintaining the present border arrangements he has a very clear option.

He can propose to the people that the IR should also exit the EU as soon as possible after Brexit,hold a referendum and actually do what the Irish people want for a change.


Some state Ireland has done well in the EU , who was it who had to bail them out, Oh yes it was the UK.


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PostRe: Brexit
by Jam-Master Jay » Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:13 pm

Jesus Christ, these last few pages have made me so angry. :lol:

I strawberry floating loathe some of the leave-voting-mouth-breathing-cunts of this country.

Edit: This was in no way aimed at anyone on the forum.
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PostRe: Brexit
by bear » Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:17 pm

Photek wrote:Those comments, Good Grief. :dread:

Racism and complete untruth's that seem consistent, where are they getting there views that the UK is better economically than the EU for Ireland?






Donaldson made his false claim on national radio and wasn't corrected by the interviewer because they didn't have the actual number to hand.

That tweet giving the real number only got a couple of hundred retweets so the lie had a far larger audience. In those circumstances it's unfortunately easy for ignorance to spread.


Speaking of ignorance.



Which led to this:




Varadkars having a great old time poking the DUP bear.
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PostRe: Brexit
by lex-man » Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:18 pm

To be fair a lot of the top comments seemed more positive. Although there is an almost 50/50 split on the positive to negative votes on each post.
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PostRe: Brexit
by andretmzt » Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:56 pm

Reading comments on any news site is generally a waste of time. So much uninformed bs, it's not worth getting worked up about.
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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:19 pm

andretmzt wrote:Reading comments on any news site is generally a waste of time. So much uninformed bs, it's not worth getting worked up about.


I disagree, if Brexit and Trump teach us anything it's to be aware of what the angry bigots are ranting about.
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PostRe: Brexit
by Oblomov Boblomov » Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:25 pm

strawberry float Brexit and strawberry float Trump. I hate both of them.
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PostRe: Brexit
by Photek » Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:46 pm

Personally this just makes me warm to our Taoiseach even more.
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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:51 pm

Photek wrote:Personally this just makes me warm to our Taoiseach even more.


He gives no strawberry floats. I love it.
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PostRe: Brexit
by Tineash » Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:15 pm

He's a pretty right wing strawberry floater though.
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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:40 pm

The Independant wrote:Boris Johnson and Michael Gove should be in prison for Brexit "lies", Apprentice presenter Lord Alan Sugar has said.

Lord Sugar, a former Labour peer who now sits with no party, said the pair should "100 per cent absolutely be thrown in jail for claiming the NHS would be £350 million richer if Britain left the EU.

"I mean, absolutely. Or at least they should have a criminal record," he told BBC Radio 5 Live's Emma Barnett show when asked whether the Tory ministers should be imprisoned

"I promise you in five years time - three or four years time - people will be kicking themselves for leaving the European Union. "

Lord Sugar also said Theresa May would be "fired" on his programme and that he would send Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn on "a nice little trip" to Sibera - a reference to the location of Soviet work camps.

Mr Johnson and Mr Gove were both associated with the Vote Leave campaign - whose campaign literature falsely suggested the NHS would be £350 million a week better off after Britain left the EU. The campaign was cautioned by the head of the UK Statistics Authority over the false figures, but continued to use them.

"Absolutely, 100 per cent absolutely. Absolutely. Or at least they should have a criminal record, because the damage that is going to be caused will dawn upon people in two to three years time when they turn to themselves and say 'I don't like this being out of the EU business, I don't know why I voted out of it'," he told the programme.

"If you look at the statistics for who voted for leaving or remaining, it wasn't exactly a landslide.
"How many of the people who voted believed that lie about the £350 million ... that would be redeployed in the NHS. If you took the number that voted solely for that reason, we would not be leaving the EU.

"In three to four years' time, people will be kicking themselves for leaving the EU. Their lifestyle will change, their total lie will change, and that has been caused by a lie!"

Lord Sugar left Labour in 2015, after the party shifted slightly to the left of centre under Ed Miliband.
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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:49 pm

There should certainly be some kind of fraud charges brought against them, and pretty much anybody involved with that NHS bus.
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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:07 pm

Things are looking up in Wales.

Quarter-mile queue as 'one-in-50 of town's population' stand in line for 'grand opening' of new Poundworld store

Locals in the seaside town of Rhyl in north east Wales, started queuing up at around 7am - three hours before the bargain shop opened its doors

Queues of shoppers stretched for around a quarter-of-a-mile as they stood in line for the grand opening of a new Poundworld store.

Locals in the seaside town of Rhyl, who predominantly voted Leave in last year's EU referendum, started queuing up at around 7am before the bargain shop opened its doors for the first time at 10am Thursday.

More than 500 people queued up for the grand opening, that's one-in-50 of the entire population of Rhyl, which is home to around 25,000 people.

The patience of the first 100 people through the door was rewarded with a free goody bag - with about £5-worth of items, including a note book, chocolates, cleaning items and colouring pencils.

Local Steve Massey wrote on social media: "Such a big crowd... for a poundshop!!"

Dave Wilson wrote: "Biggest queue ever in Rhyl... apart from the dole!"

"Poundworld is the equivalent of Harrods in Rhyl" said Anita Beer.

"2 Pot Noodles for a pound. I don't know how they do it" wrote Barry Bunson.
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PostRe: Brexit
by Rex Kramer » Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:26 am

Rhyl is the biggest shithole I've ever visited, an absolute strawberry floating dump. Opening a poundworld there would be considered gentrification.
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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:33 am

2 pot noodles for a pound, now that's high class living!

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