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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
197
78%
Leave the European Union
56
22%
 
Total votes: 253
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PostRe: Brexit
by andretmzt » Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:44 am

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Brexit could leave Britain with a bare larder, farmers warn
NFU says UK produces only 60% of its own food and must increase production to avoid food insecurity after leaving EU

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Britain must increase home-grown food production and build stronger supply chains to face Brexit uncertainties, the National Farmers Union has said.

In an annual calculation to draw attention to the UK’s decline in food self-sufficiency, the NFU said the national larder would be bare this Sunday if Britain opted for a cliff-edge departure from Europe and imports became unavailable.

Such is the reliance on imported food that Britain does not even produce enough of staples including potatoes, beef, milk and cheese to feed the nation for an entire year,it found.

“Food self-sufficiency statistics have always been an important measure of the nation’s ability to feed itself. But since the UK voted to leave the EU, and with trade negotiations starting, the supply of British food is now seen in a very different light. Government recognition of farming’s enormous contribution to this country will be vital in the coming weeks and months,” said Meurig Raymond, NFU president.

The NFU has called on the government to grasp Brexit as an opportunity to reverse a steady decline in self-sufficiency over the past 30 years.

The farming union said that with the right support it would be easy to replace the salad mountain imported from east Africa, pork from countries such as Denmark and New Zealand, and beef and dairy from other EU countries such as Ireland.

“We’re not advocating a fully self-sufficient nation – we recognise the need for importing food which can only be produced in different climates. But what we should be doing is maximising on the food production we are good at,” said Raymond.

The NFU said 30 years ago the country produced 80% of its own food, but now it was 60%.

“If we carry on at that rate of decline we could easily be down to 50% in 10 years, and that is a pretty insecure place to be,” said Raymond.

“The two main responsibilities of any government are to defend its people and feed its people. We are already among the least self-sufficient countries in Europe and dropping to below 50% would be a very insecure position to be in,” he added.

With unseasonally cold snaps in places like Spain causing vegetable shortages this year and the threat of drought in big exporting nations like the US, over-reliance on other countries for food is a national security risk.

Raymond said he believed the public appetite was there for British food and “not ready for hormone-treated beef”, which is banned by the EU but could find its way on to UK supermarket shelves after Brexit under a trade deal with the US.

The NFU said farming was such an important contributor to the economy – generating 3.9m jobs and revenues of £109bn a year – that the government needed to recognise the sector’s needs.

The NFU said it wanted a clear transition period after Brexit, during which the UK will remain in the customs union, that the UK remained within the external tariff area, which would guard against the country being flooded by cheap imports of questionable quality.

Raymond said the environment secretary, Michael Gove, was beginning to recognise the importance of a transition period in behind-the-scenes talks with farmers, although “there is no commitment”.

The NFU plea came as 14 farming organisations, including the British Poultry Council, the Soil Association and the Country Land and Business Association, set out a list of Brexit demands.

They too want the government to manage the risk of Brexit and stay within the customs union during a transition period. They also want “a fully functioning immigration system” that recognises the reliance food producers have on EU workforces beyond the harvest season.

Raymond said the NFU also wanted the government to stop viewing these workers as unskilled but rather as highly competent workers on whom the food growing and packing industry relied.


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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:49 am

We don't need food we will have freedom!
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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:44 am

It will all be fine!

It might be difficult for a while but eventually we'll be better off!

I'd accept being a little bit poorer in order to get us out!

I'm willing to starve for FREEDOM!
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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:11 am

My new favourite one is 'It was never about the economy'.
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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:17 am

Squinty wrote:My new favourite one is 'It was never about the economy'.


It's about sovereignty and democracy!

Sovereignty that we never lost and democracy that we never had. :slol:
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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:17 am

Farmers once again realising they've strawberry floated themselves over.

It's alright though, we'll have Chlorine covered chicken and Hormone fed beef full of antibiotics to live on.
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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:19 am

Lagamorph wrote:Farmers once again realising they've strawberry floated themselves over.

It's alright though, we'll have Chlorine covered chicken and Hormone fed beef full of antibiotics to live on.


No subsidies and Britain importing cheap crappy food from America. Good luck farmers!
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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:39 am

YAY even more stuff that should that this is clearly a really bad idea but somehow doesn't make those in charge think let's not do this.....
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PostRe: Brexit
by lex-man » Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:49 am

Moggy wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:Farmers once again realising they've strawberry floated themselves over.

It's alright though, we'll have Chlorine covered chicken and Hormone fed beef full of antibiotics to live on.


No subsidies and Britain importing cheap crappy food from America. Good luck farmers!


I would have thought they would be able to jack they're prices up as we'll pay whatever as we starve.
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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:21 pm

lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:Farmers once again realising they've strawberry floated themselves over.

It's alright though, we'll have Chlorine covered chicken and Hormone fed beef full of antibiotics to live on.


No subsidies and Britain importing cheap crappy food from America. Good luck farmers!


I would have thought they would be able to jack they're prices up as we'll pay whatever as we starve.


We can't pay if we have no money. :datass:
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PostRe: Brexit
by Rocsteady » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:55 pm

andretmzt wrote::|

Brexit could leave Britain with a bare larder, farmers warn
NFU says UK produces only 60% of its own food and must increase production to avoid food insecurity after leaving EU

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Britain must increase home-grown food production and build stronger supply chains to face Brexit uncertainties, the National Farmers Union has said.

In an annual calculation to draw attention to the UK’s decline in food self-sufficiency, the NFU said the national larder would be bare this Sunday if Britain opted for a cliff-edge departure from Europe and imports became unavailable.

Such is the reliance on imported food that Britain does not even produce enough of staples including potatoes, beef, milk and cheese to feed the nation for an entire year,it found.

“Food self-sufficiency statistics have always been an important measure of the nation’s ability to feed itself. But since the UK voted to leave the EU, and with trade negotiations starting, the supply of British food is now seen in a very different light. Government recognition of farming’s enormous contribution to this country will be vital in the coming weeks and months,” said Meurig Raymond, NFU president.

The NFU has called on the government to grasp Brexit as an opportunity to reverse a steady decline in self-sufficiency over the past 30 years.

The farming union said that with the right support it would be easy to replace the salad mountain imported from east Africa, pork from countries such as Denmark and New Zealand, and beef and dairy from other EU countries such as Ireland.

“We’re not advocating a fully self-sufficient nation – we recognise the need for importing food which can only be produced in different climates. But what we should be doing is maximising on the food production we are good at,” said Raymond.

The NFU said 30 years ago the country produced 80% of its own food, but now it was 60%.

“If we carry on at that rate of decline we could easily be down to 50% in 10 years, and that is a pretty insecure place to be,” said Raymond.

“The two main responsibilities of any government are to defend its people and feed its people. We are already among the least self-sufficient countries in Europe and dropping to below 50% would be a very insecure position to be in,” he added.

With unseasonally cold snaps in places like Spain causing vegetable shortages this year and the threat of drought in big exporting nations like the US, over-reliance on other countries for food is a national security risk.

Raymond said he believed the public appetite was there for British food and “not ready for hormone-treated beef”, which is banned by the EU but could find its way on to UK supermarket shelves after Brexit under a trade deal with the US.

The NFU said farming was such an important contributor to the economy – generating 3.9m jobs and revenues of £109bn a year – that the government needed to recognise the sector’s needs.

The NFU said it wanted a clear transition period after Brexit, during which the UK will remain in the customs union, that the UK remained within the external tariff area, which would guard against the country being flooded by cheap imports of questionable quality.

Raymond said the environment secretary, Michael Gove, was beginning to recognise the importance of a transition period in behind-the-scenes talks with farmers, although “there is no commitment”.

The NFU plea came as 14 farming organisations, including the British Poultry Council, the Soil Association and the Country Land and Business Association, set out a list of Brexit demands.

They too want the government to manage the risk of Brexit and stay within the customs union during a transition period. They also want “a fully functioning immigration system” that recognises the reliance food producers have on EU workforces beyond the harvest season.

Raymond said the NFU also wanted the government to stop viewing these workers as unskilled but rather as highly competent workers on whom the food growing and packing industry relied.


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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:32 pm

UK has calculated we owe the EU £36bn according to the Telegraph tomorrow, and therefore settle the divorce bill. Government negotiators have managed to ascertain the EU wants 60 billion euro (not the 100 billion euro) with the bottom line being 50bn euro.
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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:42 pm

Interesting.

I wonder what the difference is made up of. Is it something the government hasn't even considered (which seems likely) or is this just a negotiating strategy by the EU?

So I guess that money is not going into public services then. You have to wonder when the penny is going to drop.
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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:06 am

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PostRe: Brexit
by Return_of_the_STAR » Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:30 am

What i would like to see when we do agree a payment is what the payment is for and how it was calculated. If we've committed to various projects and stuff the I agree that we should pay. However i don't think we will ever find out exactly what it is for and how much the EU were really asking for etc
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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:33 am

I overheard two codgers speaking on the platform for the train, and one said he doesn't buy his food anymore from M&S because the staff are 'disproportionately black' or Lidl ('they're all from Poland', apparently). Worth noting they weren't even speaking in hushed tones.

Maybe he was getting a train to Rhyl to check out the new Poundworld. :datass:
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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:32 am

Mail Online via BBC News wrote:Vince Cable: Young 'shafted' over Brexit

Older people who voted for Brexit have "comprehensively shafted the young", Sir Vince Cable has said.

Writing in the Mail on Sunday, the Lib Dem leader accused the over-65s of being "self-declared martyrs" who claim leaving the EU is worth the cost.

"The martyrdom of the old comes cheap," he said, as fewer have jobs to lose and living standards are protected by the triple lock on pensions.

"For the Brexit martyrs, paradise beckons," he added.

Quoting statistics that 64% of over-65s voted for Brexit - compared with 71% of under-25s who voted Remain - Sir Vince said he was "struck by the heavily Remain sentiment in colleges and schools, and the heavily Brexit mood of church-hall meetings packed with retired people" during the referendum campaign.

He claimed that austerity measures had largely affected the working population, with pensioners suffering "relatively little" after the financial crisis.
Young people, he said, have the added problems of "prohibitive housing costs, growing job insecurity and limited career progression".

"The old have comprehensively shafted the young," added Sir Vince. "And the old have had the last word about Brexit, imposing a world view coloured by nostalgia for an imperial past on a younger generation much more comfortable with modern Europe."

The newly-elected party leader warned that describing such "masochism" as martyrdom was "dangerous", adding: "We haven't yet heard about 'Brexit jihadis' but there is an undercurrent of violence in the language which is troubling."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017

Full column, and Mail readers reaction, here: http://www.dailyfail.co.uk/debate/artic ... atics.html
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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:03 pm

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What the strawberry float is wrong with these 'people'?
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PostRe: Brexit
by Knoyleo » Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:04 pm

KK wrote:I overheard two codgers speaking on the platform for the train, and one said he doesn't buy his food anymore from M&S because the staff are 'disproportionately black' or Lidl ('they're all from Poland', apparently). Worth noting they weren't even speaking in hushed tones.

Maybe he was getting a train to Rhyl to check out the new Poundworld. :datass:

Should have pushed them on the tracks
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PostRe: Brexit
by Memento Mori » Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:25 pm

Lagamorph wrote:Image

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What the strawberry float is wrong with these 'people'?

Foaming at the mouth xenophobia or they didn't understand the pollster's questions? I can't comprehend it.

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