Brexit

_/\_YUNGSTAR_/\_ wrote:Oh my.... Project Fear and remoaners. Gotta love em.

Project Fear and remoaners? Come on, you can do better than that surely?

Remoaner is a nice play on words for Remainer but it is a kind of meaningless "insult". Nobody is offended by it and we all have the right to moan about things we disagree with.

Project Fear is a bizarre one. Warning that the economy might suffer from leaving the biggest trading zone in the world is not exactly fear mongering is it? Especially when the other side was full of dire warnings about the evil Muslims and refugees that were going to "swamp" the country and destroy our way of life, the EU dictatorship that was going to rule us forever etc etc.

If there was ever a "Project Fear" it was on the Leave side.

_/\_YUNGSTAR_/\_ wrote:Oh my.... Project Fear and remoaners. Gotta love em.

Why don't you answer the questions rather than make stupid remarks. We dont have the DISCUSSION rule any more but it is common decency to reply to questions when you raise points, this isn't an blog or Facebook this is a place what you talk about and debate things not make fly by comments.

Moggy wrote:

_/\_YUNGSTAR_/\_ wrote:Oh my.... Project Fear and remoaners. Gotta love em.

Project Fear and remoaners? Come on, you can do better than that surely?

Remoaner is a nice play on words for Remainer but it is a kind of meaningless "insult". Nobody is offended by it and we all have the right to moan about things we disagree with.

Project Fear is a bizarre one. Warning that the economy might suffer from leaving the biggest trading zone in the world is not exactly fear mongering is it? Especially when the other side was full of dire warnings about the evil Muslims and refugees that were going to "swamp" the country and destroy our way of life, the EU dictatorship that was going to rule us forever etc etc.

If there was ever a "Project Fear" it was on the Leave side.

Precious little snowflake

Snowcannon wrote:

Moggy wrote:

_/\_YUNGSTAR_/\_ wrote:Oh my.... Project Fear and remoaners. Gotta love em.

Project Fear and remoaners? Come on, you can do better than that surely?

Remoaner is a nice play on words for Remainer but it is a kind of meaningless "insult". Nobody is offended by it and we all have the right to moan about things we disagree with.

Project Fear is a bizarre one. Warning that the economy might suffer from leaving the biggest trading zone in the world is not exactly fear mongering is it? Especially when the other side was full of dire warnings about the evil Muslims and refugees that were going to "swamp" the country and destroy our way of life, the EU dictatorship that was going to rule us forever etc etc.

If there was ever a "Project Fear" it was on the Leave side.

Precious little snowflake

I realise you are joking but that’s another attempted insult that people use that I find bizarre. Alt-right people like Yungstar (he keeps calling people lefties so I assume he is alt-right) are the most sensitive and defensive people going. Probably because deep down they know that they have no real idea what they are talking about and so it is easier to deflect attention away from that by going on the attack. All the while their hero is Donald Trump, the snowflakiest snowflake that has ever lived.

Odd.

_/\_YUNGSTAR_/\_ wrote:So glad the country can now get out of this club.

And what was so wrong with being part of the club?

Moggy wrote:Yes but there is a 2 year timeframe before we are out with no deal and it's bloody unlikely any deal will be reached in advance of that. What was Parliament going to do if May said "Well the two years are up, we have no deal because the EU are meanies and we will work under WTO rules"?

Well one possibility I see would be forcing the government to stay in the EEC and accepting free movement until a 'deal' is reached. At least that's what I'd be pushing for on your side!

No deal would ever be reached of course and it would be a football constantly kicked into the long grass but if you are a remainer that is probably your best result from here.

Snowflake, remoaner, Project Fear. All these stupid terms are used by banana splits copying other banana splits because they're too stupid to come up with their own personal views for leaving. That's the end of it, really. I wouldn't mind if it didn't seem so prevalent and won't result in the destruction of our society. But it is. And it will.

captain red dog wrote:

Moggy wrote:Yes but there is a 2 year timeframe before we are out with no deal and it's bloody unlikely any deal will be reached in advance of that. What was Parliament going to do if May said "Well the two years are up, we have no deal because the EU are meanies and we will work under WTO rules"?

Well one possibility I see would be forcing the government to stay in the EEC and accepting free movement until a 'deal' is reached. At least that's what I'd be pushing for on your side!

No deal would ever be reached of course and it would be a football constantly kicked into the long grass but if you are a remainer that is probably your best result from here.

The government couldn't just join the EEC though. Article 50 will trigger a 2 year time frame to negotiate an exit. After that we are out whether a deal is in place or not.

There's no way MPs can force through EEC membership without EU permission so it would be an empty threat.

There are no best results for remainer's from here. We are heading for a full hard Brexit with an authoritarian Tory in charge and an inept Labour leader in opposition.

I like the whole thing about EU laws, as if the UK couldn't actually veto any decision since all members have to vote something through... Like if the UK didn't want Turkey to join, they could say no and they wouldn't be able to...

Always baffled me that point, but at least we can have straight bananas eh?

Benzin wrote:I like the whole thing about EU laws, as if the UK couldn't actually veto any decision since all members have to vote something through... Like if the UK didn't want Turkey to join, they could say no and they wouldn't be able to...

Always baffled me that point, but at least we can have straight bananas eh?

The criticisms are bizarre. The EU commission (all of them are appointed by democratically elected people) come up with laws and then the democratically elected (by proportional representation) EU Parliament vote on them. For major issues (like other countries joining) all existing members have a veto.

For some reason that is all seen as a terrible thing and people would rather have a system where MPs are elected via First Past the Post, a House of Lords (containing a mix of appointed peers, hereditary peers and Church of England Bishops) scrutinises it and then finally a hereditary monarch signs the laws off.

Neither system is perfect (no governmental system is) but I know which one I prefer by a long long way.

Yeah but the second option doesn't have Johnny Foreigners mucky paws all over them laws.

Whether you want in or out of the EU is a personal opinion and I don't have an issue if you're informed. What I can't understand though is being outside the EEA. Thats just insane. In one swoop of a pen we'll make ourselves less competitive than pretty much every country on the planet.

Calling me not wanting to leave the EU 'Project Fear' is like calling me being a bit hungry 'Assignment Famine' or me being a bit sleepy 'The Coma Mission'.

Its absolute strawberry floating bollocks.

It's going to be strawberry floating hilarious.

Rex Kramer wrote:Yeah but the second option doesn't have Johnny Foreigners mucky paws all over them laws.

Whether you want in or out of the EU is a personal opinion and I don't have an issue if you're informed. What I can't understand though is being outside the EEA. Thats just insane. In one swoop of a pen we'll make ourselves less competitive than pretty much every country on the planet.

But we'll be out of the club, so its okay.

DML wrote:Calling me not wanting to leave the EU 'Project Fear' is like calling me being a bit hungry 'Assignment Famine' or me being a bit sleepy 'The Coma Mission'.

Its absolute strawberry floating bollocks.

Nicola Sturgeon will look silly when they vote to stay in the EU which is then likley to implode in the not too distant future.

That is if the referendums happen in France and i think the second is Denmark which are likley to follow the UK.

It's a weird hope from Leavers that the EU will collapse. If we leave why give a gooseberry fool?

Plus the only way it's likely to happen is if the National Front win the French presidency (and then win a referendum). You've got to be pretty psychopathic to be hoping for a NF victory.

Moggy wrote:It's a weird hope from Leavers that the EU will collapse. If we leave why give a gooseberry fool?

Plus the only way it's likely to happen is if the National Front win the French presidency (and then win a referendum). You've got to be pretty psychopathic to be hoping for a NF victory.

I'm not looking forward to the collapse of the EU but it's pretty enevitable imo.

Has the UK ever been successful as an independent country? It seemed to me that it was only ever really eminent on the world stage A) when it was the centre of an empire and controlled a large number of captive markets and B) after it joined the European project and used its position between Europe and America to become the a major financial centre. After the collapse of the empire and before joining the rest of Europe it just looks like a picture of gradual decline, culminating in having to be bailed out by the IMF in the seventies.

Basically, in order to succeed at this juncture, the UK will have to try something completely different. Returning the situation before joining the EC is not feasible as we already know it ends in disaster.

The disturbing sense I have is that the government does not know this.