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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
222
80%
Leave the European Union
57
20%
 
Total votes: 279
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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by DML » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:45 am

I want to it to fail. It'll be painful short term but it will get rid of the Tories.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Glowy69 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:48 am

Qikz wrote:
Glowy69 wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Glowy69 wrote:Happy Brexit day everyone. :simper:


How does it feel to be free?


Same as yesterday tbh. There are a lot of Union jack flags on twitter today. :dread:


Based on the facebook thread and now this, your social media circle really are a bunch of twats.


Twitter is harder to manage. I cant stop retweets appearing, whether its to mock the tweets or support I cant quite work it out. Love the fact we are now at the mercy of the EU and we have to accept what they offer us

Fabian Delph is a banana split.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Death's Head » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:48 am

DML wrote:I want to it to fail. It'll be painful short term but it will get rid of the Tories.

Why would you want it to fail? It isn't going to be a 5 minute job to get back in so any pain is unlikely to be short term.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by DML » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:49 am

Death's Head wrote:
DML wrote:I want to it to fail. It'll be painful short term but it will get rid of the Tories.

Why would you want it to fail? It isn't going to be a 5 minute job to get back in so any pain is unlikely to be short term.


Because the alternative involves Tory rule. That for me actually trumps the former.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Death's Head » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:50 am

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Squinty wrote:The letter is now officially on its way. I hope this works out :dread:


Annoying thing is if it works out, the leave lot will even more twattish about it as I'm sure they will be very vocal in proclaiming we were right, and could lead to more right wing idiocy. If it fails, we are all strawberry floated and it will be remainers faults for bringing it down and the leave lot will be twattish about that too.

There have been twats on both sides with the remain lot claiming they were right to remain in the aftermath of the vote.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Squinty » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:50 am

DML wrote:I want to it to fail. It'll be painful short term but it will get rid of the Tories.


I'm dubious that the failure of this will ever result in the Tory government being ousted.

Blame will be deflected away from those in power. And gullible people won't question that.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Moggy » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:50 am

Death's Head wrote:
DML wrote:I want to it to fail. It'll be painful short term but it will get rid of the Tories.

Why would you want it to fail? It isn't going to be a 5 minute job to get back in so any pain is unlikely to be short term.


Why would we want it to succeed? The last thing we (or the world) needs is the likes of Farage looking like visionaries and pushing even more extreme xenophobia.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Death's Head » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:51 am

DML wrote:
Death's Head wrote:
DML wrote:I want to it to fail. It'll be painful short term but it will get rid of the Tories.

Why would you want it to fail? It isn't going to be a 5 minute job to get back in so any pain is unlikely to be short term.


Because the alternative involves Tory rule. That for me actually trumps the former.

It is possible for it to be a success and get rid of the Tories at the next election.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by DML » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:52 am

Death's Head wrote:
DML wrote:
Death's Head wrote:
DML wrote:I want to it to fail. It'll be painful short term but it will get rid of the Tories.

Why would you want it to fail? It isn't going to be a 5 minute job to get back in so any pain is unlikely to be short term.


Because the alternative involves Tory rule. That for me actually trumps the former.

It is possible for it to be a success and get rid of the Tories at the next election.


No. Too many idiots in this country.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Death's Head » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:53 am

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Why would we want it to succeed? The last thing we (or the world) needs is the likes of Farage looking like visionaries and pushing even more extreme xenophobia.


If we end up with a better standard of living and an economy, it would end up being a good result. Wanting it to fail to prove some point at the cost of living standards doesn't make a lot of sense.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Death's Head » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:54 am

DML wrote:
Death's Head wrote:
DML wrote:
Death's Head wrote:
DML wrote:I want to it to fail. It'll be painful short term but it will get rid of the Tories.

Why would you want it to fail? It isn't going to be a 5 minute job to get back in so any pain is unlikely to be short term.


Because the alternative involves Tory rule. That for me actually trumps the former.

It is possible for it to be a success and get rid of the Tories at the next election.


No. Too many idiots in this country.

In that case, that is what the majority wants.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Moggy » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:57 am

Death's Head wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Why would we want it to succeed? The last thing we (or the world) needs is the likes of Farage looking like visionaries and pushing even more extreme xenophobia.


If we end up with a better standard of living and an economy, it would end up being a good result. Wanting it to fail to prove some point at the cost of living standards doesn't make a lot of sense.


It's a pretty irrelevant point as whatever we want will make no difference.

There is a bigger picture though. A dip in living standards that results in Brexit being seen as a failure could have long term positive gains for Europe/the World.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by DML » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:57 am

Death's Head wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Why would we want it to succeed? The last thing we (or the world) needs is the likes of Farage looking like visionaries and pushing even more extreme xenophobia.


If we end up with a better standard of living and an economy, it would end up being a good result. Wanting it to fail to prove some point at the cost of living standards doesn't make a lot of sense.


Okay, let me put it another way.

I don't think it can succeed. I would say hoping it will happen is like hoping for the moon on a stick.

I'm sure I'd be a lot happier if I could sprout wings and fly tomorrow, but wishing for it to happen isn't going to make it come true. To me this is honestly a similar question.

This is an absolute disaster. The only way this disaster gets better is if the people responsible are removed from power, and people who actually have responsibility for a actual good future for this country are installed.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Moggy » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:57 am

Death's Head wrote:
DML wrote:
Death's Head wrote:
DML wrote:
Death's Head wrote:
DML wrote:I want to it to fail. It'll be painful short term but it will get rid of the Tories.

Why would you want it to fail? It isn't going to be a 5 minute job to get back in so any pain is unlikely to be short term.


Because the alternative involves Tory rule. That for me actually trumps the former.

It is possible for it to be a success and get rid of the Tories at the next election.


No. Too many idiots in this country.

In that case, that is what the majority wants.


The majority didn't vote to leave.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Death's Head » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:59 am

Moggy wrote:There is a bigger picture though. A dip in living standards that results in Brexit being seen as a failure could have long term positive gains for Europe/the World.


"Could" or might not, in which case we just take the cost for nothing. Brexit is happening so I for one will be hoping it is a success.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Death's Head » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:59 am

Moggy wrote:The majority didn't vote to leave.


But neither did they vote to stay.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by DML » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:00 am

Death's Head wrote:
DML wrote:
Death's Head wrote:
DML wrote:
Death's Head wrote:
DML wrote:I want to it to fail. It'll be painful short term but it will get rid of the Tories.

Why would you want it to fail? It isn't going to be a 5 minute job to get back in so any pain is unlikely to be short term.


Because the alternative involves Tory rule. That for me actually trumps the former.

It is possible for it to be a success and get rid of the Tories at the next election.


No. Too many idiots in this country.

In that case, that is what the majority wants.


Ive said it before, I'll say it again, I'm not sure the majority wants it anymore.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Moggy » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:01 am

Death's Head wrote:
Moggy wrote:There is a bigger picture though. A dip in living standards that results in Brexit being seen as a failure could have long term positive gains for Europe/the World.


"Could" or might not, in which case we just take the cost for nothing. Brexit is happening so I for one will be hoping it is a success.


"Hoping" or probably wont, in which case we just take the cost for nothing. Brexit is happening so I for one will be hoping it fails and that the rest of Europe doesn't collapse into far right populism and that we eventually come to our senses and stop thinking we are some sort of special country that doesn't need to get along with others.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Moggy » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:03 am

Death's Head wrote:
Moggy wrote:The majority didn't vote to leave.


But neither did they vote to stay.


It was roughly a third each way.

1/3 voted to leave
1/3 voted to stay
1/3 couldn't be arsed to vote

I'd argue that if you can't be arsed to vote then you are content with the current situation. Massive and possibly permanent changes like this ought to need a big majority in order to carry.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by DML » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:07 am

Moggy wrote:
Death's Head wrote:
Moggy wrote:The majority didn't vote to leave.


But neither did they vote to stay.


It was roughly a third each way.

1/3 voted to leave
1/3 voted to stay
1/3 couldn't be arsed to vote

I'd argue that if you can't be arsed to vote then you are content with the current situation. Massive and possibly permanent changes like this ought to need a big majority in order to carry.


If people dont vote they dont vote. They have made their choice.

Making it 50% to carry such a monstrous change was always ridiculous though.

My football club need a 75% vote to have the club taken over by a prospective owner. Thats how ridiculous Brexit was.


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