Brexit

Happy to see the Irish government putting pressure on our government on the border issue, I'm fed up not knowing what's going to happen. There was no plan before the referendum and we still don't have a plan today. It's ridiculous! The UK needs to wake up to reality.

Photek wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Photek wrote:

Moggy wrote:This is the really interesting bit:

However, a leaked European Commission earlier this month showed that Dublin has Brussels staunch support in ensuring the controversy remains a priority.

It made clear that, in order to preserve the Good Friday Agreement, the Brexit divorce deal must respect “the integrity of the internal market and the customs union”, with Ireland remaining a member of both.

That meant the UK, to avoid a hard border with Northern Ireland, must also remain part of the customs union – something London has categorically ruled out, at least long term.

If Brexit means the end of the Good Friday Agreement, then we could be looking at a return to the days of IRA bombings on the mainland.

Yay, more good news!

No chance of that happening but it is odd that your government is saying talks were constructive and ours are like "eh?"

No chance of the Good Friday Agreement falling apart or no chance of the IRA resuming a bombing campaign if it does fall apart?

I'd say there was far more than "no chance" of either of those happening. Without an agreement, things are going to get messy and bitter and Northern Ireland is going to be in the middle of it.

The IRA doesn't exist and hasn't for 20years. To be honest I'm surprised you think they do.

Here's a piece about how 'the troubles' were a failure for the IRA and also that bringing a border back won't bring terrorism back, from Ex IRA members.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/the-ex-ira-men-united-ireland-it-s-all-guff-1.3041131

EDIT: Actually I'm properly annoyed you think the IRA would start re-training, re-importing guns and bombs and destroy Sinn Fein in the process. Now I know how a Muslim feels when the BNP start talking bollocks.

What about the off shot organisations like 'the real IRA' etc? It might not be as bad, but to restart terrorist actions. Any idiot with access to the internet can find out how to build a bomb these days.

Photek wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Photek wrote:

Moggy wrote:This is the really interesting bit:

However, a leaked European Commission earlier this month showed that Dublin has Brussels staunch support in ensuring the controversy remains a priority.

It made clear that, in order to preserve the Good Friday Agreement, the Brexit divorce deal must respect “the integrity of the internal market and the customs union”, with Ireland remaining a member of both.

That meant the UK, to avoid a hard border with Northern Ireland, must also remain part of the customs union – something London has categorically ruled out, at least long term.

If Brexit means the end of the Good Friday Agreement, then we could be looking at a return to the days of IRA bombings on the mainland.

Yay, more good news!

No chance of that happening but it is odd that your government is saying talks were constructive and ours are like "eh?"

No chance of the Good Friday Agreement falling apart or no chance of the IRA resuming a bombing campaign if it does fall apart?

I'd say there was far more than "no chance" of either of those happening. Without an agreement, things are going to get messy and bitter and Northern Ireland is going to be in the middle of it.

The IRA doesn't exist and hasn't for 20years. To be honest I'm surprised you think they do.

Here's a piece about how 'the troubles' were a failure for the IRA and also that bringing a border back won't bring terrorism back, from Ex IRA members.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/the-ex-ira-men-united-ireland-it-s-all-guff-1.3041131

EDIT: Actually I'm properly annoyed you think the IRA would start re-training, re-importing guns and bombs and destroy Sinn Fein in the process. Now I know how a Muslim feels when the BNP start talking bollocks.

I am actually surprised that you think IRA groups are not still active.

The Real IRA planned a bomb attack in 2015: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... rles-visit

The ONH (a Real IRA splinter group) shot a couple protecting their son earlier this year: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... militaries

The New IRA shot a policeman earlier this year: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland ... -1.2950747

The Continuity IRA shot a policeman dead in 2009 and killed another in a bomb attack in 2011: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ronan-kerr

I am also properly annoyed that you think it is impossible that escalating tensions could cause a rise in violence amongst the Republican and Loyalist movements that could escalate further into attacks on mainland Britain.

Again it's not the same thing, you can't account for splinter groups and nationalist lunatics, I don't claim the UDF to be back either yet I'm sure they have semtex and stuff hidden away by some of their members who can't let the past go.

Your statement was about IRA bombing the 'mainland' and it's simply not going to happen, the 'real' IRA are f**king tiny... to even equate them to the IRA of the troubles is disingenuous, in fact your entire post is. It's not an issue, it really isn't, nobody has mentioned it, not the UK not Ireland not the EU cos it's not one.

You mention a splinter group of a splinter group FFS.

I could go out now and shoot someone and say The 'Photek IRA' did it, your whole list is bollocks and you've crowbarred some googled incidents to fit your initital statement.

The IRA still exist.

I have over £20k in mine!

Photek wrote:Again it's not the same thing, you can't account for splinter groups and nationalist lunatics, I don't claim the UDF to be back either yet I'm sure they have semtex and stuff hidden away by some of their members who can't let the past go.

Your statement was about IRA bombing the 'mainland' and it's simply not going to happen, the 'real' IRA are f**king tiny... to even equate them to the IRA of the troubles is disingenuous, in fact your entire post is. It's not an issue, it really isn't, nobody has mentioned it, not the UK not Ireland not the EU cos it's not one.

My statement was about the Good Friday Agreement collapsing and the IRA eventually returning to a mainland bombing campaign.

Your statement was to compare me to the BNP, to claim there was "no chance" and to claim that the IRA hasn't existed for 20 years.

I showed you that the IRA do still exist. They still kill people. They still plan bombings.

But apparently they are too small and it is impossible for them to grow again? There is absolutely "no chance" of there ever being another IRA linked bomb on the mainland of Britain?

Ok Photek. Whatever.

Moggy wrote:

Photek wrote:Again it's not the same thing, you can't account for splinter groups and nationalist lunatics, I don't claim the UDF to be back either yet I'm sure they have semtex and stuff hidden away by some of their members who can't let the past go.

Your statement was about IRA bombing the 'mainland' and it's simply not going to happen, the 'real' IRA are f**king tiny... to even equate them to the IRA of the troubles is disingenuous, in fact your entire post is. It's not an issue, it really isn't, nobody has mentioned it, not the UK not Ireland not the EU cos it's not one.

My statement was about the Good Friday Agreement collapsing and the IRA eventually returning to a mainland bombing campaign.

Your statement was to compare me to the BNP, to claim there was "no chance" and to claim that the IRA hasn't existed for 20 years.

I showed you that the IRA do still exist. They still kill people. They still plan bombings.

But apparently they are too small and it is impossible for them to grow again? There is absolutely "no chance" of there ever being another IRA linked bomb on the mainland of Britain?

Ok Photek. Whatever.

No you didn't. You have no idea what you're talking about, not derailing this anymore.

Photek wrote:No you didn't. You have no idea what you're talking about, not derailing this anymore.

I guess by that you mean you don't count the Real IRA, the Continuity IRA and New IRA as the IRA?

If you are arguing that the IRA of 1917 doesn't exist anymore, then sure you are correct.

If you are being pedantic enough to talk like a banana split to somebody just because they referred to the IRA instead of "the splinter group known as the Real IRA" then you are probably best off not derailing this anymore.

The name of the group is irrelevant, the point is the bullshit that happens has a reasonable chance of returning because of all of this.

Moggy wrote:

Photek wrote:No you didn't. You have no idea what you're talking about, not derailing this anymore.

I guess by that you mean you don't count the Real IRA, the Continuity IRA and New IRA as the IRA?

If you are arguing that the IRA of 1917 doesn't exist anymore, then sure you are correct.

If you are being pedantic enough to talk like a banana split to somebody just because they referred to the IRA instead of "the splinter group known as the Real IRA" then you are probably best off not derailing this anymore.

I said the IRA of the troubles doesn't exist not 1917 and I'M being pedantic? Do one man.

Photek wrote:Again it's not the same thing, you can't account for splinter groups and nationalist lunatics, I don't claim the UDF to be back either yet I'm sure they have semtex and stuff hidden away by some of their members who can't let the past go.

Your statement was about IRA bombing the 'mainland' and it's simply not going to happen, the 'real' IRA are f**king tiny... to even equate them to the IRA of the troubles is disingenuous, in fact your entire post is. It's not an issue, it really isn't, nobody has mentioned it, not the UK not Ireland not the EU cos it's not one.

You mention a splinter group of a splinter group FFS.

I could go out now and shoot someone and say The 'Photek IRA' did it, your whole list is bollocks and you've crowbarred some googled incidents to fit your initital statement.

It doesn't take a lot to pack a car full of explosives and detonate it in a big city. Nobody is going to care if it's some tiny splinter group who did it.

Photek wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Photek wrote:No you didn't. You have no idea what you're talking about, not derailing this anymore.

I guess by that you mean you don't count the Real IRA, the Continuity IRA and New IRA as the IRA?

If you are arguing that the IRA of 1917 doesn't exist anymore, then sure you are correct.

If you are being pedantic enough to talk like a banana split to somebody just because they referred to the IRA instead of "the splinter group known as the Real IRA" then you are probably best off not derailing this anymore.

I said the IRA of the troubles doesn't exist not 1917 and I'M being pedantic? Do one man.

Yes you are being pedantic by claiming that the IRA hasn't existed for 20 years, while ignoring that IRA splinter groups still exist. I assume that you are ignoring those groups because you don't think they are proper IRA? Which also makes the IRA of the Troubles a splinter group of the original 1917 IRA. You are not the only one that can be a pedantic banana split.

I think you are the one that should "do one", after all you said in the post before that you were going to stop derailing this?

lex-man wrote:

Photek wrote:Again it's not the same thing, you can't account for splinter groups and nationalist lunatics, I don't claim the UDF to be back either yet I'm sure they have semtex and stuff hidden away by some of their members who can't let the past go.

Your statement was about IRA bombing the 'mainland' and it's simply not going to happen, the 'real' IRA are f**king tiny... to even equate them to the IRA of the troubles is disingenuous, in fact your entire post is. It's not an issue, it really isn't, nobody has mentioned it, not the UK not Ireland not the EU cos it's not one.

You mention a splinter group of a splinter group FFS.

I could go out now and shoot someone and say The 'Photek IRA' did it, your whole list is bollocks and you've crowbarred some googled incidents to fit your initital statement.

It doesn't take a lot to pack a car full of explosives and detonate it in a big city. Nobody is going to care if it's some tiny splinter group who did it.

I didn't even notice that he had gone back and edited his post (6 times!!) to try and back up his bullshit.

Moggy wrote:

lex-man wrote:

Photek wrote:Again it's not the same thing, you can't account for splinter groups and nationalist lunatics, I don't claim the UDF to be back either yet I'm sure they have semtex and stuff hidden away by some of their members who can't let the past go.

Your statement was about IRA bombing the 'mainland' and it's simply not going to happen, the 'real' IRA are f**king tiny... to even equate them to the IRA of the troubles is disingenuous, in fact your entire post is. It's not an issue, it really isn't, nobody has mentioned it, not the UK not Ireland not the EU cos it's not one.

You mention a splinter group of a splinter group FFS.

I could go out now and shoot someone and say The 'Photek IRA' did it, your whole list is bollocks and you've crowbarred some googled incidents to fit your initital statement.

It doesn't take a lot to pack a car full of explosives and detonate it in a big city. Nobody is going to care if it's some tiny splinter group who did it.

I didn't even notice that he had gone back and edited his post (6 times!!) to try and back up his bullshit.

It seems odd going all the way back to 1917, I would have thought that it would be obvious that we were talking about actions like 1974 Birmingham bombing, which doesn't take much planning at all to carry out and could easily be done by a group with only a handful of members.

With Brexit Ireland is on the cusp of being united in my life time. There’s no will to resort to bombings. Good Friday or not, Northern Ireland is further away to London than ever before despite the DUP moneyhats.

The Real IRA has a reported number of 250 in 2015, The IRA of the troubles had 30,000.

lex-man wrote:

Moggy wrote:

lex-man wrote:

Photek wrote:Again it's not the same thing, you can't account for splinter groups and nationalist lunatics, I don't claim the UDF to be back either yet I'm sure they have semtex and stuff hidden away by some of their members who can't let the past go.

Your statement was about IRA bombing the 'mainland' and it's simply not going to happen, the 'real' IRA are f**king tiny... to even equate them to the IRA of the troubles is disingenuous, in fact your entire post is. It's not an issue, it really isn't, nobody has mentioned it, not the UK not Ireland not the EU cos it's not one.

You mention a splinter group of a splinter group FFS.

I could go out now and shoot someone and say The 'Photek IRA' did it, your whole list is bollocks and you've crowbarred some googled incidents to fit your initital statement.

It doesn't take a lot to pack a car full of explosives and detonate it in a big city. Nobody is going to care if it's some tiny splinter group who did it.

I didn't even notice that he had gone back and edited his post (6 times!!) to try and back up his bullshit.

It seems odd going all the way back to 1917, I would have thought that it would be obvious that we were talking about actions like 1974 Birmingham bombing, which doesn't take much planning at all to carry out and could easily be done by a group with only a handful of members.

To be fair to Photek, I was the one that brought up 1917 (in a pedantic bit of pettiness ), he was talking of the IRA during the Troubles not existing for 20 years.

Photek wrote:With Brexit Ireland is on the cusp of being united in my life time. There’s no will to resort to bombings. Good Friday or not, Northern Ireland is further away to London than ever before despite the DUP moneyhats.

The Real IRA has a reported number of 250 in 2015, The IRA of the troubles had 30,000.

And you think there is "no chance" of those 250 people planting bombs or growing in number? No chance at all?

Moggy wrote:

Photek wrote:With Brexit Ireland is on the cusp of being united in my life time. There’s no will to resort to bombings. Good Friday or not, Northern Ireland is further away to London than ever before despite the DUP moneyhats.

The Real IRA has a reported number of 250 in 2015, The IRA of the troubles had 30,000.

And you think there is "no chance" of those 250 people planting bombs or growing in number? No chance at all?

No chance. They making too much money from their criminal enterprises.

Photek wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Photek wrote:With Brexit Ireland is on the cusp of being united in my life time. There’s no will to resort to bombings. Good Friday or not, Northern Ireland is further away to London than ever before despite the DUP moneyhats.

The Real IRA has a reported number of 250 in 2015, The IRA of the troubles had 30,000.

And you think there is "no chance" of those 250 people planting bombs or growing in number? No chance at all?

No chance. They making too much money from their criminal enterprises.

Then I refer you again to the last few years.

The Real IRA planned a bomb attack in 2015: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... rles-visit

The ONH (a Real IRA splinter group) shot a couple protecting their son earlier this year: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... militaries

The New IRA shot a policeman earlier this year: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland ... -1.2950747

The Continuity IRA shot a policeman dead in 2009 and killed another in a bomb attack in 2011: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ronan-kerr

I’ll take to PM later but my answer is still no.