Brexit

Oh for strawberry floats sake Hammond. You don't call the people we are heavily reliant on 'the enemy', you silly strawberry floater.

Garth wrote:Wonder how this'll look by March 2019:

So there's been a solid swing of what, only 2%. Considering the shitstorm it's been that's pretty astounding.

Rocsteady wrote:

Garth wrote:Wonder how this'll look by March 2019:

So there's been a solid swing of what, only 2%. Considering the shitstorm it's been that's pretty astounding.

I think a lot of that is shored up by the heavily weighted leaning of pro-Brexit, right leaning news media still being primarily positive about the UK's position. There's also a general stubbornness against the idea you might have contributed to an absolutely catastrophic decision.

I think I saw a poll with a really badly loaded question (if you and your family lose their jobs because of Brexit is it worth it?) that was met with a lot of support from Leavers, I reckon because a lot of them don't like the suggestion that the possibility of Brexit being such a disaster rested on their decision last June.

A gap this big for the first time is still a bit of a big deal, although I don't think it'll mean too much until support is below 40% and opposition over 50%, which might be a slow drip towards that point for a while until a quick surge as more Leavers start to agree with each other that Brexit needs a rethink.

A lot of the general public are completely apathetic about politics. They have other interests, so don't really pay any attention to what is going on.

Various members of my family are like this. Hell, one of them voted leave on the basis of that 350 million pounds thing. Genuinely regrets doing it as well, after she read up on it a bit more. Voted with the best of intentions. Others may disagree with me on here, but I can't hate on anyone for this. It was incredibly misleading.

Denster's post does hit home for me. I could have done a bit more and there is a niggling regret there.

If the trend continues though it'll be a solid 60-40 split for Remain (ignoring Don't Knows) by Leave-day.

Will of the people.

People are only using immigrants to vent their frustration at the stagnation and decline in their own lives. If the government, both this one and previous, had not chosen focus so much on serving the needs of capital to the detriment of almost every other part of the economy and managed to create an education system that is fit for purpose (that fact that we are so dependent on importing talent from abroad is the best evidence that our education system is not working properly), we would not be in this situation.

This is basically the ugly legacy of Thatcherism, which pervaded even through the Blair years, that destroyed so much of our social infrastructure. Industries have been razed to the ground rather than helped and public assets have been squandered and sold off in a clearly unsustainable effort to keep taxes low (for example, huge boons like North Sea oil have been completely frittered away on tax giveaways rather than used to build wealth funds and investment portfolios). Sooner or later all that underinvestment is going to catch up with you and you will run out of public assets to sell. That's what we have seen happen under this recent tory government.

Yet it was clear at this year's Conservative party conference that most of them still do not get it. They won't admit that the philosophy they have followed for the last forty years has been ruinous and self-defeating because it would mean their entire political lives had been spent in doing the wrong thing. I can understand how hard it is to admit to yourself that you have failed at everything you set out to in politics over pretty much your entire working life.

Whilst I have my concerns about Corbyn and his populist rhetoric and lack of caution with the public purse, at least Labour has divested itself of the poisonous ideology that has hollowed out large parts of the UK over so many governments. The Conservatives seem to be a lost cause, unfortunately, at least until their old guard dies off or is wrestled out of power by their younger members (unlikely, because there are embarrassingly few of them).

Meep wrote:Whilst I have my concerns about Corbyn and his populist rhetoric and lack of caution with the public purse, at least Labour has divested itself of the poisonous ideology that has hollowed out large parts of the UK over so many governments. The Conservatives seem to be a lost cause, unfortunately, at least until their old guard dies off or is wrestled out of power by their younger members (unlikely, because there are embarrassingly few of them).

On the other hand they've replaced it with anti-Semitism instead.

Karl wrote:

Lucien wrote:[I've blocked the following people so don't try to engage with me: Hexx, Karl, Moggy]

Nice try but I know the forum software won't let you block admins.

Is there actually anything more pathetic than posting this?

I’ve blocked you ner ner ner. Priceless.

It’s not enough to block someone. You have to post telling everyone and especially those concerned you’ve done it?
Takes a special kind of princess for that.

Nope I was wrong. Defending it further is actually worse.

Squinty wrote:A lot of the general public are completely apathetic about politics. They have other interests, so don't really pay any attention to what is going on.

Various members of my family are like this. Hell, one of them voted leave on the basis of that 350 million pounds thing. Genuinely regrets doing it as well, after she read up on it a bit more. Voted with the best of intentions. Others may disagree with me on here, but I can't hate on anyone for this. It was incredibly misleading.

Denster's post does hit home for me. I could have done a bit more and there is a niggling regret there.

This totally rings true for me as well. I was talking to people to people at work about Trump and they straight up told me he'd never nuke. I don't know how anyone who took an interest in politics can believe that. I don't even think that Trump supporters would agree with that statement.

I don’t care.

Denster better be careful or he’ll get blocked.

You can't block Denster, his personalty carries too much weight to be blocked.

lex-man wrote:You can't block Denster, his personalty carries too much weight to be blocked.

You saying he's fat?

I don’t think people like us can be blamed for not getting out there and campaigning. The problem is that the unthinking don’t give a gooseberry fool and would still vote for Brexit even if you proved to them that the world would blow up as a result.

Just caught up on the past ten or so pages and as someone from near Bradford who has worked in Bradford, supports a Bradford team, has about 80 family members living in Bradford (including my dad) I can confirm that there are white people.

romeo G. Detlev Jr. wrote:Just caught up on the past ten or so pages and as someone from near Bradford who has worked in Bradford, supports a Bradford team, has about 80 family members living in Bradford (including my dad) I can confirm that there are white people.

Are you sure that they are not just pale or albino Asian people? Maybe they whited up?

Sorry but I have seen evidence in this thread that you don’t see white people in Bradford.

Dual wrote:

lex-man wrote:You can't block Denster, his personalty carries too much weight to be blocked.

You saying he's fat?

I am more than capable of blocking a doorway.

romeo G. Detlev Jr. wrote:Just caught up on the past ten or so pages and as someone from near Bradford who has worked in Bradford, supports a Bradford team, has about 80 family members living in Bradford (including my dad) I can confirm that there are white people.

Fake news. I don't believe you!!!!!1!!!!!!!!

Denster wrote:

Dual wrote:

lex-man wrote:You can't block Denster, his personalty carries too much weight to be blocked.

You saying he's fat?

I am more than capable of blocking a doorway.