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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
222
80%
Leave the European Union
57
20%
 
Total votes: 279
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PostRe: Brexit
by Hexx » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:04 pm


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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:42 pm

Should've called it Project BANTA to make it an easier sell to the public.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Karl » Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:03 pm

Didn't know Maf was on the negotiation team. Oi oi.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Cuttooth » Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:11 pm

He's going to sell the country for a Domino's. :x

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PostRe: Brexit
by jimbojango » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:30 pm

Sooo, are we ready to cancel this thing then? I just ask as it is only going to get worse from this point in for all concerned, so why not just make the move and put everyone out of their misery.

I’m fairly sure the indicated flu strain from the Southern Hemisphere for this winter, coupled with the NHS staffing / too many old people conundrum is going to remove a big percentage of the leave vote anyway..

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PostRe: Brexit
by DML » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:55 pm

If a government was unable to take government after an election, you would have a new election.

If Brexit cannot be fulfilled, you should have a new referendum.

What we have happening right now is not Brexit, it is Brexit in name only.

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PostRe: Brexit
by BID0 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:12 pm

project banta :lol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Karl » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:52 pm

I look forward to the public relations campaign after Brexit falls through, Project ITWASJUSTAPRANKBRO.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:25 pm


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PostRe: Brexit
by Blue Eyes » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:46 am

Theresa May spent more time not answering questions on the radio yesterday - refusing to say that she would vote Leave now if there was another referendum. That's all she strawberry floating does, avoid answering questions. I actually felt quite sorry for her last week when she withered during that speech, but now I'm back to thinking she's an evil old bitch again.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Hexx » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:53 am

Previously I kinda 'liked' Hammond as he seemed like the only adult in the room.

Watching him now though - he's drunk the Kool-Aid. It's all the EU's fault. Why won't they give us what we want, when/how we want - we does the talks follow the order they set (we agreed to) etc...

We're getting No Deal.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Return_of_the_STAR » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:22 am

Blue Eyes wrote:Theresa May spent more time not answering questions on the radio yesterday - refusing to say that she would vote Leave now if there was another referendum. That's all she strawberry floating does, avoid answering questions. I actually felt quite sorry for her last week when she withered during that speech, but now I'm back to thinking she's an evil old bitch again.


Politicians no longer answer questions. It used to only be confined to a few of them but now they all do it.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Denster » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:51 pm

It’s not a question she should or have to answer. It’s irrelevant.

Hime wrote:This is nonsense, Photek finally posts something factual and he gets burned. ;)
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PostRe: Brexit
by Denster » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:54 pm

I think a No deal is now a distinct possibility and I also think the EU has a large portion of the responsibility for that.

Hime wrote:This is nonsense, Photek finally posts something factual and he gets burned. ;)
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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:07 pm

Saw this on GAF, Leaver wrote it:
1. I'm now 100% certain there will not be a deal. We are past the point of salvation.
2. May thinks she has made a reasonable offer but it is simply not grounded in reality. She's away with the fairies.
3. She thinks this can be wrapped up in the construct of Article 50 which is a complete misapprehension.
4. She thinks it is now the responsibility of the EU to accept her offer when they have already declined it - twice.
5. None of the proposals are consistent with the rules of the system and May is demanding the impossible.
6. As much as government is not seriously engaging it lacks the capacity. They will never comprehend the issues. Its too complex for them
7. Underlying all this is an assumption that we can just muddle through and that no deal has manageable consequences.
8. Little is understood of the seismic implications - not least because the EU cannot breach its own rules
9. The assumption is that the EU will fold and refuse to put up barriers - but the EU is bound by the WTO system. No exceptions.
10. Once the UK has chosen to be outside of the EU systems, no special concessions can be made. They cannot help us.
11. The Tory assumption that regulatory parity is the basis of free trade is one that has taken root and they can't be talked out of it.
12. This is the line put forward by Legatum Institute and it is very obviously wrong
13. So we *definitely* will lose all of our JIT manufacturing and we lose most of our 3rd country trade relationships overnight.
14. At a guess I think we stand to lose more than a third of our trade - but very possibly most of it for the interim.
15. So that means major sweeping cuts are imminent. Expect massive HM forces redundancies and cuts to public services
16. The bottom line is this government holds far too many misapprehensions about how the system works to ever understand EU reticence.
17. So it will go on demanding the unrealistic and the improbable until it sees no choice but to walk away - blaming the EU for it.
18. As to being ready in 2 years, forget it. There is a decades worth of regulatory engineering to do.
19. So you can expect a number of sectors to collapse, a long recession, teetering over into a depression. This will cost unimaginable sums.
20. Most of all there will be no deal because the government is entirely insincere and is not taking it seriously. Game over.

https://twitter.com/PeteNorth303/status ... 2584780800

Still wants to leave the EU though, because he feels UK society has had it too easy lately and thinks we need hardship. Lunatic.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Hexx » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:13 pm

Garth wrote:Saw this on GAF, Leaver wrote it:
1. I'm now 100% certain there will not be a deal. We are past the point of salvation.
2. May thinks she has made a reasonable offer but it is simply not grounded in reality. She's away with the fairies.
3. She thinks this can be wrapped up in the construct of Article 50 which is a complete misapprehension.
4. She thinks it is now the responsibility of the EU to accept her offer when they have already declined it - twice.
5. None of the proposals are consistent with the rules of the system and May is demanding the impossible.
6. As much as government is not seriously engaging it lacks the capacity. They will never comprehend the issues. Its too complex for them
7. Underlying all this is an assumption that we can just muddle through and that no deal has manageable consequences.
8. Little is understood of the seismic implications - not least because the EU cannot breach its own rules
9. The assumption is that the EU will fold and refuse to put up barriers - but the EU is bound by the WTO system. No exceptions.
10. Once the UK has chosen to be outside of the EU systems, no special concessions can be made. They cannot help us.
11. The Tory assumption that regulatory parity is the basis of free trade is one that has taken root and they can't be talked out of it.
12. This is the line put forward by Legatum Institute and it is very obviously wrong
13. So we *definitely* will lose all of our JIT manufacturing and we lose most of our 3rd country trade relationships overnight.
14. At a guess I think we stand to lose more than a third of our trade - but very possibly most of it for the interim.
15. So that means major sweeping cuts are imminent. Expect massive HM forces redundancies and cuts to public services
16. The bottom line is this government holds far too many misapprehensions about how the system works to ever understand EU reticence.
17. So it will go on demanding the unrealistic and the improbable until it sees no choice but to walk away - blaming the EU for it.
18. As to being ready in 2 years, forget it. There is a decades worth of regulatory engineering to do.
19. So you can expect a number of sectors to collapse, a long recession, teetering over into a depression. This will cost unimaginable sums.
20. Most of all there will be no deal because the government is entirely insincere and is not taking it seriously. Game over.

https://twitter.com/PeteNorth303/status ... 2584780800

Still wants to leave the EU though, because he feels UK society has had it too easy lately and thinks we need hardship. Lunatic.


Pete North is an absolute twat though.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Return_of_the_STAR » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:15 pm

One of the top rated comments on a story on the DM at the moment about Hammond not putting money aside to prepare for a no-deal on brexit. Currently has 1015 likes.

Dare say Mandelson, Blair, Clegg and the rest of the establishment remoaners are pulling his strings. As he is evidently not committed to Brexit and is an impediment he needs to go.


Do people really believe that Mandelson, Blair and Clegg are controlling Hammond? I don't understand how people can function if they are this skeptical about things like this.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:18 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:One of the top rated comments on a story on the DM at the moment about Hammond not putting money aside to prepare for a no-deal on brexit. Currently has 1015 likes.

Dare say Mandelson, Blair, Clegg and the rest of the establishment remoaners are pulling his strings. As he is evidently not committed to Brexit and is an impediment he needs to go.


Do people really believe that Mandelson, Blair and Clegg are controlling Hammond? I don't understand how people can function if they are this skeptical about things like this.


They're as bad as Trump's supporters in the US, everything is a conspiracy.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Hexx » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:20 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:One of the top rated comments on a story on the DM at the moment about Hammond not putting money aside to prepare for a no-deal on brexit. Currently has 1015 likes.

Dare say Mandelson, Blair, Clegg and the rest of the establishment remoaners are pulling his strings. As he is evidently not committed to Brexit and is an impediment he needs to go.


Do people really believe that Mandelson, Blair and Clegg are controlling Hammond? I don't understand how people can function if they are this skeptical about things like this.


It's the internet.

It's empowered everyone's delusional will;-fullfillment fantasies. Be it some dad posted "looking and my Daughter and I'll kill you" memes to broken people desperately trying to be special.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:24 pm

Denster wrote:It’s not a question she should or have to answer. It’s irrelevant.


Really? It’s pretty relevant if the PM that is in charge during Brexit actually wants to remain.

Denster wrote:I think a No deal is now a distinct possibility and I also think the EU has a large portion of the responsibility for that.


A no deal has been a distinct possibility ever since the referendum results were announced and the main Leavers instantly went from “nobody says we’ll leave the single market, look at Norway!” to “hard Brexit now, anything else is a betrayal of the people!”

There’s undoubtedly ways the EU could make everything easier for Britain, but I fail to see why they have a large portion of the responsibility. Britain called the referendum. Britain triggered Article 50 with no plan in place. Britain sent David Davis to negotiate despite him basically refusing to research or prepare anything.


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