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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
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80%
Leave the European Union
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20%
 
Total votes: 279
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PostRe: Brexit
by jiggles » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:51 pm

It's almost as if the Orange Order attracts despicable banana splits

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PostRe: Brexit
by Meep » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:03 pm

Brexiters "The EU is always telling sovereign nations what to do, that's why we want out!"
EU "Spain has the border with Gibraltar so obviously they can veto over any agreement relating to it."
Brexiters "The evil EU refuses to tell Spain what to do!"

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:32 pm

Meep wrote:Brexiters "The EU is always telling sovereign nations what to do, that's why we want out!"
EU "Spain has the border with Gibraltar so obviously they can veto over any agreement relating to it."
Brexiters "The evil EU refuses to tell Spain what to do!"


:lol:

See also the Leave anti-EU arguments versus their views on Scottish independence. :lol:

It's hilarious how angry Leavers are. They won the referendum and look to be getting the hard Brexit that they crave and yet they are still furious about everything.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:24 pm

Stupid people usually are angry about everything because ethey don't understand it so angry is all they have.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:29 pm

jiggles wrote:It's almost as if the Orange Order attracts despicable banana splits


:lol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Denster » Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:55 pm

To be fair - the gibraltar veto issue is a complete banana split's trick by the EU and Spain. Doesn't excuse some of the more idiotic largesse that has resulted, of course.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Rocsteady » Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:01 pm

I don't think largesse means what you think it means.

The whole thing's a mountain out of a molehill, Gibraltar should obviously remain a British land and although Spain will be consulted on the matter nothing will change. They already make it as much of a hassle as possible for British citizens to cross the border, within realistic boundaries there's not much more they can or will do.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lex-Man » Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:31 pm

Yeah, this whole Gibraltar thing is a total non-issue that has been blown out of all proporition.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:40 pm

lex-man wrote:Yeah, this whole Gibraltar thing is a total non-issue that has been blown out of all proporition.


I agree, but it has been interesting to see just what the Tory party thinks of our "friends" and a good reminder of just how bad our gutter press can be.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Denster » Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:41 pm

Rocsteady wrote:I don't think largesse means what you think it means.

The whole thing's a mountain out of a molehill, Gibraltar should obviously remain a British land and although Spain will be consulted on the matter nothing will change. They already make it as much of a hassle as possible for British citizens to cross the border, within realistic boundaries there's not much more they can or will do.


Sorry. My mistake on the largesse bit. Spain shouldn't be consulted because it's no more of their business than any other EU member.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Knoyleo » Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:54 pm

Denster wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:I don't think largesse means what you think it means.

The whole thing's a mountain out of a molehill, Gibraltar should obviously remain a British land and although Spain will be consulted on the matter nothing will change. They already make it as much of a hassle as possible for British citizens to cross the border, within realistic boundaries there's not much more they can or will do.


Sorry. My mistake on the largesse bit. Spain shouldn't be consulted because it's no more of their business than any other EU member.

Aside from the physical land border.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:02 pm

Knoyleo wrote:
Denster wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:I don't think largesse means what you think it means.

The whole thing's a mountain out of a molehill, Gibraltar should obviously remain a British land and although Spain will be consulted on the matter nothing will change. They already make it as much of a hassle as possible for British citizens to cross the border, within realistic boundaries there's not much more they can or will do.


Sorry. My mistake on the largesse bit. Spain shouldn't be consulted because it's no more of their business than any other EU member.

Aside from the physical land border.

This. I would expect Spain to be consulted as it has a direct impact on them, the same for Ireland and Northern Ireland.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:25 pm

Denster wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:I don't think largesse means what you think it means.

The whole thing's a mountain out of a molehill, Gibraltar should obviously remain a British land and although Spain will be consulted on the matter nothing will change. They already make it as much of a hassle as possible for British citizens to cross the border, within realistic boundaries there's not much more they can or will do.


Sorry. My mistake on the largesse bit. Spain shouldn't be consulted because it's no more of their business than any other EU member.


Of course it's their business. They claim the territory is theirs, it's literally connected to their country and post Brexit they get a say in trade/customs/immigration with any other country on Earth.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Rocsteady » Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:12 am

Denster wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:I don't think largesse means what you think it means.

The whole thing's a mountain out of a molehill, Gibraltar should obviously remain a British land and although Spain will be consulted on the matter nothing will change. They already make it as much of a hassle as possible for British citizens to cross the border, within realistic boundaries there's not much more they can or will do.


Sorry. My mistake on the largesse bit. Spain shouldn't be consulted because it's no more of their business than any other EU member.

No worries, I actually agree to an extent - Spain can be consulted all they want but what will it actually change? There's not a hope in hell Britain will give it up, which imo is correct as we have to believe in self-determination, so what changes can be made? There's already border control for everyone. I guess they could introduce a much stricter visa system but they'd be strawberry floating over Spanish citizens and the local Spanish economy too as the majority of people who work in Gibraltar live in the nearby Spanish town. Such a move would surely simply force said people to move across the border permanently.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:15 am

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PostRe: Brexit
by Mini E » Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:16 am

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PostRe: Brexit
by Denster » Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:28 am

:lol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:07 pm

NatCen via The Sun wrote:A BIGGER percentage of Sun readers voted for Brexit than those who buy any other paper, a new study has revealed.

Seven out of 10 who read the nation’s favourite paper voted to leave the EU in the June 23 referendum, the National Centre for Social Research found.

The same 70% of Daily Express readers also backed Brexit, compared to 66% of Daily Mail readers and only 55% of the Daily Telegraph’s.
All four newspapers supported leaving the EU.

But despite backing a Remain vote, the Financial Times still saw almost one in four of its readers – 22% – support Brexit.

And close to one in 10 people to but the leftwing Guardian also voted to leave.

NatCen also discovered millions of referendum voters ignored the advice of the political parties they support.

More than a third – 36% – of Scottish National Party backers backed Brexit, despite its support for Remain.

And similarly, 36% of the pro-EU Labour Party’s voters also opted for Leave.

The Leave campaign won because it galvanised a lot of people disengaged from politics who did not vote at general elections.

A big group of “economically deprived and anti-immigration” voters also supported an EU exit in large numbers.

At the same time, NatCen also found that the Remain camp failed to get its vote out on referendum day.

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So either The Sun know their readership incredibly well, or Sun readers were more swayed by the paper itself backing leave than others.

There is somewhat of a correlation between the poll and the perceived intelligence of the readership too; arguably the better quality the paper, or no paper at all, the more likely they were to vote Remain.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:21 pm

KK wrote:So either The Sun know their readership incredibly well, or Sun readers were more swayed by the paper itself backing leave than others.


A bit of both I would imagine. The Sun (and the Express and Mail) have been winding their readers up for years about Europe and immigrants, some of those readers would have been attracted to the papers by the papers stance, some will have been persuaded by the stand the papers took and some just want to look at tits in the morning.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Drumstick » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:37 pm

A completely predictable absolute non-shocker.

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