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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
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80%
Leave the European Union
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20%
 
Total votes: 279
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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:58 am

India in no rush to do a trade deal with post-Brexit Britain

Speaking to POLITICO at the Indian High Commission in London, Yashvardhan Sinha also voiced concern that U.K. perceptions of his country were based on pre-independence nostalgia.

Brexiteers, including U.K. Trade Secretary Liam Fox, have long argued that one of the key benefits of leaving the European Union is the opportunity for new trade deals with burgeoning Commonwealth economies such as India. They claim Britain’s membership of the EU customs union, which creates common external tariffs, has prevented the U.K. from trading freely with the rest of the world.

Sinha confirmed there would be bilateral discussions between U.K. Prime Minister Theresa May and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi ahead of the summit, but warned that while India will look for easier access to the U.K. market in some areas post Brexit, wide consultations with various stakeholders about the scope of any trade deal would need to be held before negotiations can even begin.

“I don’t think India is in a rush. I think India would like certainly, and I’m sure the U.K. would too … to get the best deal possible,” he said.

High on the Indian wish list for a trade agreement is freer movement of people, Sinha reiterated.

“I think for us it is very important that if we need to step up our engagement we need to have that easier access, the ease of travel has to be looked into,” he said.

Immigration is politically problematic for the U.K. government, which is under pressure over its failure to meet the Tory net migration target of 100,000 people annually. Concern about immigration is widely credited as one of the driving forces of the Brexit vote in 2016.

However, Sinha said a distinction has to be made for those who traveled to the U.K. for a short period and left. He said 2016 figures show the vast majority of Indians who came to the U.K. had returned home.

By contrast, a “great deal” with the EU is “very important,” given the bloc as a whole is “one of our largest trading partners,” Sinha said, pointing out that access to the EU market is “very important” for Indian business giants in the U.K. such as the Tata Group. “[Trade deals] are all important,” he said.

For Sinha, Britain’s push for an even closer relationship with India must go hand in hand with a greater understanding of India in the wider U.K. population.

The high commissioner said he had been surprised to find “very dated or very incomplete” knowledge of India that is based on “nostalgia, the Raj, or their connections,” rather than its economic achievements over the last seven decades.

“I don’t know whether it is what is taught in schools here … what is taught about India for instance, whether it is the old Raj-based history, or whether anything at all,” he said. “As a people we are so close and there is so much interaction, so we need to do something there in terms of reaching out to the youth, to important decision-makers in the country.”

“I think the progress that India has made, the success story … is something that we need to focus [on] much more here in the U.K.,” he added.

https://www.politico.eu/article/india-n ... l-tariffs/

"In the case of India, to get trade talks started the UK would need to agree to grant more visas for Indian workers, something the UK government blocked in the EU-India FTA talks," Open Britain pointed out.

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PostRe: Brexit
by NickSCFC » Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:04 am

Lagamorph wrote:The EU have given us until 18th April to come up with a solution to the Irish border or they're going to demand the backstop option of full regulatory alignment.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ish-border

Pressure is on Britain to come up with a plan by the 18 April stocktake. Unless a solution acceptable to both sides is found, the EU will insist on the backstop option of full regulatory alignment north and south of the border, something May has said she will not tolerate.


Didn't they come up with a "solution" in December which meant that talks could progress to the next stage?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Hexx » Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:07 am

That's the backstop that May since said no Prime Minister could commit to...before recommiting to it

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PostRe: Brexit
by lex-man » Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:21 am

Didn't she agree to it again.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:45 am

This Brexit thing continues to go swimmingly then.

India want easier migration between the UK and them? Who could have ever thought this would happen?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:34 am

India have wanted freer movement of people to the UK for a long time. China as well.
That'll be a 'red line' for both of them. No concessions on movement of people will mean no trade deal at all.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:39 am

Countries will be queuing up!! Project Fear!!

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PostRe: Brexit
by Benzin » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:48 am

I assume those who voted Leave because of the immigration issue would be completely against trade deals that would allow freedom of movement with countries such as India or China?

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:01 pm

“I think for us it is very important that if we need to step up our engagement we need to have that easier access, the ease of travel has to be looked into,” he said.

In the case of India, to get trade talks started the UK would need to agree to grant more visas for Indian workers, something the UK government blocked in the EU-India FTA talks," Open Britain pointed out.

This has been brought up before, as has 'Closer ties to the Commonwealth', and it seems to me to be pretty realistic to achieve, but you are just trading out one block (the EU) for another (up to 53 Commonwealth nations), with many of the same immigration issues brought up again. I think many like Farage were being disingenuous about a "global, 'swashbuckling' Britain", but with the Commonwealth you really are being even further reaching than the EU, which seems to me to be the antithesis of what I heard repeated as recently as ITV's Tonight programme the other week with Robert Peston: that there are 'too many foreigners' in parts of the UK. It wasn't really that long ago Britain had a big influx of Indian and Caribbean people - who do you see more often than not still driving a London bus or manning the Underground.

I genuinely believe the UK can go on a trading odyssey, but in return for this Whicker's World jaunt across the world people are going to have to wake up to the trade-offs in return. A reduction in 'red tape' (just one example of both America and Australia not liking the limitations placed on animal wellfare by both the UK currently and the EU because it limits trade), and more immigration, whether that be for work or to our universities. And it's not all one way traffic; for those that seek it I'm sure easier access to these countries would exist for British people as well.

The Conservatives are trying to have their cake and eat it with immigration, and continuing to lie to the electorate about it. Trade deals and immigration "in the tens of thousands" is an oxymoron, and they ultimately won't be able to square them both off.

By the way, Michael Portillo's Indian travel documentary on BBC2 has been fascinating. Worth watching.

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PostRe: Brexit
by NickSCFC » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:04 pm

Benzin wrote:I assume those who voted Leave because of the immigration issue would be completely against trade deals that would allow freedom of movement with countries such as India or China?


I know people who thought voting Brexit meant we could stop all the "P***s" coming over, this will be music to their ears :lol:

As far as I'm aware most immigration from the India subcontinent happened in the 60s and 70s.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Meep » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:05 pm

It would be hilarious if Brexit actually resulted in more brown people coming to live in the UK. I would take great pleasure in watching the reaction of certain quarters.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Alvin Flummux » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:15 pm

They'll probably blame the EU for redirecting them there.

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:23 pm

I think predominantly linking the Commonwealth with just Australia, New Zealand and Canada was (& is) intentionally cynical.

You watch all the countries competing in the Commonwealth Games and Charles (with toilet seat and horse in tow) giving his big speech and it's possible to envisage the return of much closer ties to all these countries, the Royals gallivanting around everywhere, and all this fawning over Harry and Meghan, but I don't think this globalist Britain is what a number of Leavers actually voted for.

This whole 'Britannia rules the waves [but you're all barred from coming here]' isn't going to fly with one solitary country.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Cuttooth » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:04 pm

KK wrote:I think predominantly linking the Commonwealth with just Australia, New Zealand and Canada was (& is) intentionally cynical.

You watch all the countries competing in the Commonwealth Games and Charles (with toilet seat and horse in tow) giving his big speech and it's possible to envisage the return of much closer ties to all these countries, the Royals gallivanting around everywhere, and all this fawning over Harry and Meghan, but I don't think this globalist Britain is what a number of Leavers actually voted for.

This whole 'Britannia rules the waves [but you're all barred from coming here]' isn't going to fly with one solitary country.

To be honest a lot of that is deeply rooted in a type of white supremacist culture that mistakenly celebrates and believes in British exceptionalism. People emigrating to Britain from the Carribbean and South Asia reminded a majority white population that the empire had failed. The decades of xenophobic resentment that followed has led a lot of people to think Britain standing alone would automatically result in effectively reinstating the British Empire, or specifically the natural order realigning to allow white Britain to rule or control non-white people.

All of that thinking is steeped in fiction that ignores Britain's post-war necessity in encouraging economic migration and the economic growth of many old colonies that mean they won't allow themselves to be pushed around in trade deals.

Until society deals with so many (dare I say a majority?) people believing such things stuff like Brexit will fail dramatically.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:12 pm

Businesses that speak out in favour of the EU will be “punished” according to John Redwood.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politi ... dwood.html

Dat democracy and taking back control :datass:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Alvin Flummux » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:43 pm

I feel like the Britain of V For Vendetta is getting closer and closer to becoming real. :dread:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:55 pm

Moggy wrote:Businesses that speak out in favour of the EU will be “punished” according to John Redwood.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politi ... dwood.html

Dat democracy and taking back control :datass:


This coming from a complete disaster capitalist.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Meep » Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:24 pm

Always slightly chilling when an MP tries to suppress free speech.

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PostRe: Brexit
by lex-man » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:08 am

Alvin Flummux wrote:I feel like the Britain of V For Vendetta is getting closer and closer to becoming real. :dread:


I didn't really like that film can we go for children of men?

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:17 am

He can say what he likes because it means positively strawberry float all. Terrible Secretary of State for Wales, and 2 failed attempts to become party leader.

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