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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
222
80%
Leave the European Union
57
20%
 
Total votes: 279
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Regginator3
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PostRe: Brexit
by Regginator3 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:39 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:
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captain red dog wrote:Simple solution, elect a left wing government. Its not like left wing voters and the working class haven't been suffering for the last decade already.

Never going to happen. The voters have started seeing sense regarding Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott's lies. The trend towards Momentum is reversing.


While some of the more radical leftwing ideas aren't gaining traction I think the era of austerity has to be coming to an end.
The NHS, police and armed forces all desperately need a cash injection or they are just going to start falling apart. They also can't afford any more to take money from other places as they've also been stripped to the bone so either we need tax rises or some more borrowing must be done.
We could also use things like HS3 and other public transport ideas for the north as at the moment it's underfunded with London soaking up most of the funding (although I do think crossrail 2 is something that's desperately needed or maybe a cheaper option would be to refurbish some of the more overcrowded stations) and Wales could also use a few decent links as well.

My point is the idea of austerity is great in theory and I support it but it's getting to a point of diminishing returns and starting to actually harm the economy.


I agree. But I think the next GE, the Tories will tackle this. I seriously doubt they'll make the same mistake they did the last election.

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PostRe: Brexit
by lex-man » Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:31 pm

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lex-man wrote:I could see Corbyn getting in but it'll be off the back off a really bad brexit.


It’d have to be an apocalyptic Brexit and in that case I don’t think it’ll matter who’s in charge.


Yup, if we crash out with a hard Brexit. It could go incredibly badly. How good will the Tories look if flights are cancelled, even if it's just a couple of days.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:42 pm

lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
lex-man wrote:I could see Corbyn getting in but it'll be off the back off a really bad brexit.


It’d have to be an apocalyptic Brexit and in that case I don’t think it’ll matter who’s in charge.


Yup, if we crash out with a hard Brexit. It could go incredibly badly. How good will the Tories look if flights are cancelled, even if it's just a couple of days.


They’ll look bad, but we’ll still be 3 years off of the next election and they’ll be blaming the EU for it.

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PostRe: Brexit
by DML » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:00 pm

I will never understand Labour voters who voted for Brexit. They all knew the Conservatives were in power, what were they expecting to happen? The whole thing was clearly an attempted coup within the Tory party. Heck, if it wasn't for Gove - Johnson would be leading the party right now. Why would you enable that?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:59 am



They will never accept the blame for the mess they are dragging us into.

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PostRe: Brexit
by captain red dog » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:08 am

DML wrote:I will never understand Labour voters who voted for Brexit. They all knew the Conservatives were in power, what were they expecting to happen? The whole thing was clearly an attempted coup within the Tory party. Heck, if it wasn't for Gove - Johnson would be leading the party right now. Why would you enable that?

Labour used to be the party in opposition to the EU until the recent capitalist move the right performed by Blair. Blair may have influenced the PLP heavily, but it's harder to convince your dock workers or ex coal mining communities that the "capitalist club" is working for them. Unfortunately years of neglect of the working class from various Conservative and New Labour governments have bitten the political establishment on the arse in terms of the strength of opposition to the EU.

Those Labour members that voted Leave did so under the knowledge that they would only get one chance at it. Tory governments come and go, and even the strongest "Labour" government didn't acceptably improve things for those at the bottom. Anyone below middle class figures they have nothing left to lose.

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PostRe: Brexit
by BID0 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:31 am

Peter Crisp wrote:
Regginator3 wrote:
captain red dog wrote:Simple solution, elect a left wing government. Its not like left wing voters and the working class haven't been suffering for the last decade already.

Never going to happen. The voters have started seeing sense regarding Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott's lies. The trend towards Momentum is reversing.


While some of the more radical leftwing ideas aren't gaining traction I think the era of austerity has to be coming to an end.
The NHS, police and armed forces all desperately need a cash injection or they are just going to start falling apart. They also can't afford any more to take money from other places as they've also been stripped to the bone so either we need tax rises or some more borrowing must be done.
We could also use things like HS3 and other public transport ideas for the north as at the moment it's underfunded with London soaking up most of the funding (although I do think crossrail 2 is something that's desperately needed or maybe a cheaper option would be to refurbish some of the more overcrowded stations) and Wales could also use a few decent links as well.

My point is the idea of austerity is great in theory and I support it but it's getting to a point of diminishing returns and starting to actually harm the economy.

This morning when I drove in to work even the road signs have had enough :lol: I guess the wind at the weekend must be to blame but here in Essex we hardly have any road signs left, most have been stolen and the ones that are left have half their panels falling off/blown away, coupled with all the pot holes it all looks a bit of a mess. Essex is pretty well funded too so it must be even worse in lesser funded areas. With all our services on their arse I'm not sure what they can cut further to "save" money.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:37 am

Recent move by Blair? That was 21 years ago :lol:

Plus Blair didn’t turn Labour into a pro-EU party, are we forgetting leaders like Kinnock?

And the vote hasn’t bitten the establishment on the arse. Establishment figures like Rees-Mogg will be fine, it’s the working classes like the car manufacturers in the North East that’ll suffer.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Rex Kramer » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:41 am

captain red dog wrote:Those Labour members that voted Leave did so under the knowledge that they would only get one chance at it. Tory governments come and go, and even the strongest only "Labour" government didn't acceptably improve things for those at the bottom. Anyone below middle class figures they have nothing left to lose.

FTFY

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PostRe: Brexit
by Photek » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:19 am

Moggy wrote:

They will never accept the blame for the mess they are dragging us into.

It's a mindset that is f**ked, it doesn't matter what facts and figures are shown they will never budge. It's almost like a new age mental ilness of sorts. If I held a belief that couldn't be challenged then I wouldn't hold it. If I'm shown evidence, factual evidence about anything then I'll change my view to support it, it seems millions of people don't do the same.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:20 am

I'm a strong believer in root causes. People voted for this. The buck starts and stops there. Don't blame others for your crap decisions.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Karl » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:41 am

captain red dog wrote:Anyone below middle class figures they have nothing left to lose.

It's going to be interesting to hear how they reflect on this when they're thrown into the workhouses in a few years' time.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:15 pm

Squinty wrote:I'm a strong believer in root causes. People voted for this. The buck starts and stops there. Don't blame others for your crap decisions.

There's an argument to say that people voted leave based on complete lies, which is absolutely true when you hear a lot of people's justifications being the bullshit that the Leave campaigns were spouting. You could argue that the responsibility lies with the people who distributed that misinformation.
But of course you can always turn it back to say that those voters had a responsibility to fact check and educate themselves rather than simply believing the stuff coming out of the Mail/Express and people like Johnson/Farage.

The worst part is that many prominent Leave campaigners openly admitted afterwards that they lied during the campaign and suffered utterly zero consequence for it.


Karl wrote:
captain red dog wrote:Anyone below middle class figures they have nothing left to lose.

It's going to be interesting to hear how they reflect on this when they're thrown into the workhouses in a few years' time.

It will be the fault of sabotaging Remoaners undermining Brexit and/or the bullying EU. I think I can safely 100% guarantee that.

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PostRe: Brexit
by DML » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:23 pm

I like the line of 'the campaign pledges didn't persuade me, I would have voted Leave anyway' like thats something to be proud of!

Its just makes you more of an idiot.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Peter Crisp » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:38 pm

I just had an amazing thought, once we leave can we then be a founding member of the "United Federation of Planets"?

I kind of agree it might be a tad early but we get all the founder benefits like having Starfleet Command and the Starfleet Academy in London.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:53 pm

Lagamorph wrote:
Squinty wrote:I'm a strong believer in root causes. People voted for this. The buck starts and stops there. Don't blame others for your crap decisions.

There's an argument to say that people voted leave based on complete lies, which is absolutely true when you hear a lot of people's justifications being the bullshit that the Leave campaigns were spouting. You could argue that the responsibility lies with the people who distributed that misinformation.
But of course you can always turn it back to say that those voters had a responsibility to fact check and educate themselves rather than simply believing the stuff coming out of the Mail/Express and people like Johnson/Farage.

The worst part is that many prominent Leave campaigners openly admitted afterwards that they lied during the campaign and suffered utterly zero consequence for it.


I should probably clarify, I don't blame anyone who feels regret over it. I do blame anyone who still believes in this and is blaming others for how badly it is going. It was flawed from the outset.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Peter Crisp » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:09 pm

The problem with the leave campaign was always that they had zero actual facts about the effects of leaving so it was always just guessing but they tried to convince people they had actual facts and figures.
The reason I voted to stay was purely for the stability and the fact that I think the vast majority of immigration is beneficial.

jiggles wrote:Nobody with a VR headset is going to be using it regularly this time next year, let alone in 4 years time.


Posted 16th March 2016. Let's see.
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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:39 pm

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PostRe: Brexit
by <]:^D » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:56 pm

:lol:
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PostRe: Brexit
by Alvin Flummux » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:19 am

That's amazing.


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