Brexit

Moggy wrote:

captain red dog wrote:

Moggy wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Economic growth in 2018 could dwarf any Brexit hit according to one Remainer:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42769090

Sceptical myself as economic predictions seem sketchy either way.

You’ve missed out that he said it is because the rest of the world is doing better than expected and also this crucial paragraph:

But he argued that far from "changing his mind" on the economic effects of Brexit, the question now for the UK was how much better the country could be doing without the uncertainty over its relationship with the European Union.

Right, but that's a significant change in tone from the remain side. Until now we have been told that Brexit will be an absolute disaster. Now its a case of "well, we'd be doing slightly better in the EU".

For the record though, I don't personally put much stock in that report as economic predictions are a risky business.

It’s not a significant change from the Remain side. First of all, one person doesn’t speak for every Remainer. That’s like me claiming that everything Farage says represents your opinion as well.

Secondly the economic prediction there is not a victory for the Leave side. It says that we are suffering economically because of Brexit and that it’ll likely get worse. The only thing saving us is that the rest of the world is doing well - that’s not a very positive statement of where leaving will take us.

OK, it's a significant change from a voice within the Remain side.

On the topic of the rest of the world doing well, yes that's true and we are benefitting from it. But on the flip side, when the rest of the world does badly like it did during the great recession, we were still strawberry floated even from within the EU.

captain red dog wrote:

Moggy wrote:

captain red dog wrote:

Moggy wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Economic growth in 2018 could dwarf any Brexit hit according to one Remainer:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42769090

Sceptical myself as economic predictions seem sketchy either way.

You’ve missed out that he said it is because the rest of the world is doing better than expected and also this crucial paragraph:

But he argued that far from "changing his mind" on the economic effects of Brexit, the question now for the UK was how much better the country could be doing without the uncertainty over its relationship with the European Union.

Right, but that's a significant change in tone from the remain side. Until now we have been told that Brexit will be an absolute disaster. Now its a case of "well, we'd be doing slightly better in the EU".

For the record though, I don't personally put much stock in that report as economic predictions are a risky business.

It’s not a significant change from the Remain side. First of all, one person doesn’t speak for every Remainer. That’s like me claiming that everything Farage says represents your opinion as well.

Secondly the economic prediction there is not a victory for the Leave side. It says that we are suffering economically because of Brexit and that it’ll likely get worse. The only thing saving us is that the rest of the world is doing well - that’s not a very positive statement of where leaving will take us.

OK, it's a significant change from a voice within the Remain side.

On the topic of the rest of the world doing well, yes that's true and we are benefitting from it. But on the flip side, when the rest of the world does badly like it did during the great recession, we were still strawberry floated even from within the EU.

Is it a significant change from that one Remainer? What was his opinion up to now and how has it changed?

Yes a global recession will strawberry float us up if we are still in the EU. Now imagine it when we are outside the EU.

Moggy wrote:

captain red dog wrote:

Moggy wrote:

captain red dog wrote:

Moggy wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Economic growth in 2018 could dwarf any Brexit hit according to one Remainer:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42769090

Sceptical myself as economic predictions seem sketchy either way.

You’ve missed out that he said it is because the rest of the world is doing better than expected and also this crucial paragraph:

But he argued that far from "changing his mind" on the economic effects of Brexit, the question now for the UK was how much better the country could be doing without the uncertainty over its relationship with the European Union.

Right, but that's a significant change in tone from the remain side. Until now we have been told that Brexit will be an absolute disaster. Now its a case of "well, we'd be doing slightly better in the EU".

For the record though, I don't personally put much stock in that report as economic predictions are a risky business.

It’s not a significant change from the Remain side. First of all, one person doesn’t speak for every Remainer. That’s like me claiming that everything Farage says represents your opinion as well.

Secondly the economic prediction there is not a victory for the Leave side. It says that we are suffering economically because of Brexit and that it’ll likely get worse. The only thing saving us is that the rest of the world is doing well - that’s not a very positive statement of where leaving will take us.

OK, it's a significant change from a voice within the Remain side.

On the topic of the rest of the world doing well, yes that's true and we are benefitting from it. But on the flip side, when the rest of the world does badly like it did during the great recession, we were still strawberry floated even from within the EU.

Is it a significant change from that one Remainer? What was his opinion up to now and how has it changed?

Yes a global recession will strawberry float us up if we are still in the EU. Now imagine it when we are outside the EU.

It states in the BBC article "I asked him whether his optimistic forecasts now revealed that he, and many economists, had simply been too pessimistic about the effects of a Brexit vote.

"I'm almost embarrassed to accept that it might sound like that," Lord O'Neill replied."

On the subject of where we would be during a recession outside of the EU, I'm not sure if any estimates have been done. From a layman point of view, if we are 3% off during a boom, I wonder if it would track similar during a bust?

captain red dog wrote:

Moggy wrote:

captain red dog wrote:

Moggy wrote:

captain red dog wrote:

Moggy wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Economic growth in 2018 could dwarf any Brexit hit according to one Remainer:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42769090

Sceptical myself as economic predictions seem sketchy either way.

You’ve missed out that he said it is because the rest of the world is doing better than expected and also this crucial paragraph:

But he argued that far from "changing his mind" on the economic effects of Brexit, the question now for the UK was how much better the country could be doing without the uncertainty over its relationship with the European Union.

Right, but that's a significant change in tone from the remain side. Until now we have been told that Brexit will be an absolute disaster. Now its a case of "well, we'd be doing slightly better in the EU".

For the record though, I don't personally put much stock in that report as economic predictions are a risky business.

It’s not a significant change from the Remain side. First of all, one person doesn’t speak for every Remainer. That’s like me claiming that everything Farage says represents your opinion as well.

Secondly the economic prediction there is not a victory for the Leave side. It says that we are suffering economically because of Brexit and that it’ll likely get worse. The only thing saving us is that the rest of the world is doing well - that’s not a very positive statement of where leaving will take us.

OK, it's a significant change from a voice within the Remain side.

On the topic of the rest of the world doing well, yes that's true and we are benefitting from it. But on the flip side, when the rest of the world does badly like it did during the great recession, we were still strawberry floated even from within the EU.

Is it a significant change from that one Remainer? What was his opinion up to now and how has it changed?

Yes a global recession will strawberry float us up if we are still in the EU. Now imagine it when we are outside the EU.

It states in the BBC article "I asked him whether his optimistic forecasts now revealed that he, and many economists, had simply been too pessimistic about the effects of a Brexit vote.

"I'm almost embarrassed to accept that it might sound like that," Lord O'Neill replied."

On the subject of where we would be during a recession outside of the EU, I'm not sure if any estimates have been done. From a layman point of view, if we are 3% off during a boom, I wonder if it would track similar during a bust?

“It might sound like that” isn’t a complete change of heart. He’s surprised because the rest of the world has dragged us up by performing better than expected, not because Britain is doing better than expected.

And you are basing all these arguments on one persons opinion that you don’t believe anyway.

I think I'm the only one that is amused that this guy is called Lord... the UK is really odd.

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Moggy wrote:

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I think JOB is my fave left wing commentator.

Gotta love him.

UKIP are imploding and it is funny as hell.

I read something in the news lately about Farage and Banks getting together for a project that is politics related, some seemed to think it was a new party movement.

Squinty wrote:UKIP are imploding and it is funny as hell.

I read something in the news lately about Farage and Banks getting together for a project that is politics related, some seemed to think it was a new party movement.

Unless they go all out with “send the darkies home”, where have they got left to go after Brexit?

Moggy wrote:

Squinty wrote:UKIP are imploding and it is funny as hell.

I read something in the news lately about Farage and Banks getting together for a project that is politics related, some seemed to think it was a new party movement.

Unless they go all out with “send the darkies home”, where have they got left to go after Brexit?

That's it exactly. They are completely irrelevant. All they can really do is move further into shitty scumbag territory.

Squinty wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Squinty wrote:UKIP are imploding and it is funny as hell.

I read something in the news lately about Farage and Banks getting together for a project that is politics related, some seemed to think it was a new party movement.

Unless they go all out with “send the darkies home”, where have they got left to go after Brexit?

That's it exactly. They are completely irrelevant. All they can really do is move further into shitty scumbag territory.

I was talking about Farage and Banks, but yeah it goes for UKIP as well.

Edit:

A defeat in a second referendum would be the best thing for Farage and those in UKIP that want political careers.

Moggy wrote:

Squinty wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Squinty wrote:UKIP are imploding and it is funny as hell.

I read something in the news lately about Farage and Banks getting together for a project that is politics related, some seemed to think it was a new party movement.

Unless they go all out with “send the darkies home”, where have they got left to go after Brexit?

That's it exactly. They are completely irrelevant. All they can really do is move further into shitty scumbag territory.

I was talking about Farage and Banks, but yeah it goes for UKIP as well.

Edit:

A defeat in a second referendum would be the best thing for Farage and those in UKIP that want political careers.

I think they'd could go with Republic style party. Go really hard on the tax breaks, getting rid of employee rights. I doubt they'd be able to win any seats but I think they'd get a following.

Grumpy David wrote:

Moggy wrote:

twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/955452655249260545

I think JOB is my fave left wing commentator.

I love O’Brien, he’s extremely intelligent, self deprecating and seems to be a decent guy. The only tiny thing I’d criticise him on is that he sometimes goes Nuclear on thick Brexiters, it sounds almost cruel as he walks them through the facts.

Lucien wrote:

Grumpy David wrote:I think JOB is my fave left wing commentator.

That surprises me! I haven't watched him much at all since, the few times I briefly have, he appeared to be a right Jeremy Kyle or Piers Morgan type; i.e. another banana split private enterprise has foisted into a morning slot for some reason. I've only see a few videos or tweets of his though.

You really don’t know anything about him, for one thing you don’t really “watch” him, he’s a radio host. They release some clips from the studio, but his show is a radio phone in.

I can’t think of 2 people more unlike James O’Brien than Jeremy Kyle and Piers Morgan.

Lucien wrote:

Grumpy David wrote:I think JOB is my fave left wing commentator.

That surprises me! I haven't watched him much at all since, the few times I briefly have, he appeared to be a right Jeremy Kyle or Piers Morgan type; i.e. another banana split private enterprise has foisted into a morning slot for some reason. I've only see a few videos or tweets of his though.

You’ve embarrassed yourself there, mate.

Are there any good right-wingers? They are seem very silly.

Lucien wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Lucien wrote:

Grumpy David wrote:I think JOB is my fave left wing commentator.

That surprises me! I haven't watched him much at all since, the few times I briefly have, he appeared to be a right Jeremy Kyle or Piers Morgan type; i.e. another banana split private enterprise has foisted into a morning slot for some reason. I've only see a few videos or tweets of his though.

You really don’t know anything about him, for one thing you don’t really “watch” him, he’s a radio host. They release some clips from the studio, but his show is a radio phone in.

Admiteddly so! I was just surprised there's a potential big leap from what I've seen to how Grumpy David views him. It'd be like if you'd typed Nigel Farage was your favourite right wing commentator.

The difference is I have watched (and listened ) to Farage and so am qualified to call him a banana split and compare him to other banana splits.

Lucien wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Lucien wrote:

Grumpy David wrote:I think JOB is my fave left wing commentator.

That surprises me! I haven't watched him much at all since, the few times I briefly have, he appeared to be a right Jeremy Kyle or Piers Morgan type; i.e. another banana split private enterprise has foisted into a morning slot for some reason. I've only see a few videos or tweets of his though.

You really don’t know anything about him, for one thing you don’t really “watch” him, he’s a radio host. They release some clips from the studio, but his show is a radio phone in.

Admiteddly so! I was just surprised there's a potential big leap from what I've seen to how Grumpy David views him. It'd be like if you'd typed Nigel Farage was your favourite right wing commentator.

I think it's because JOB seems interesting and entertaining on LBC, whilst someone like Owen Jones annoys the hell outta me. May not agree with JOB on everything, but would rather discuss differences of opinion with him. I think his "but we can control freedom of movement within the EU" argument is very misleading though. Not sure if it was him but I think an argument that appeals to me is "If Russia wants it, we should do the opposite".

JOB mystery hour is quite fun too.

Paul Mason is a bit of a dick. Especially that Newsnight phone call the other day.