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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
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79%
Leave the European Union
54
21%
 
Total votes: 262
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PostRe: Brexit
by Karl » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:56 pm

We should have never had a referendum on such a painfully, obviously stupid idea in the first place, but if another one is our only chance of reversing this monumentally terrible situation then, sure, whatever.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Blue Eyes » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:01 pm

There won't be another referendum. We're all strawberry floated. Get over it, losers.

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PostRe: Brexit
by captain red dog » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:07 pm

Lucien wrote:
captain red dog wrote:I'd back another referendum to help settle the issue. I think Leave would still win, and not because I'd vote leave. People have become so entrenched on either side that I don't see much movement at all. All of the people I know who voted Remain are still passionately Remain and all of the people I know that voted Leave are still passionately Leavers.


Why?

Legitimacy. If the country voted to leave again then nobody can really complain about the vote. If we vote to remain, that is reversible no matter what happens but once we leave we won't be going back.

So out of fairness, I couldn't really argue against a second vote. I'd prefer this to happen after the final deal has been agreed and then there is absolutely no doubt what we are voting for.

If the deal is remaining in the EU in all but name but leaving the decision making table, then I'd personally change my vote to Remain as you would get none of the benefits of being outside the block in terms of trade.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Karl » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:12 pm

My only concern with a second referendum is that the typical citizen still has no idea what the EU does, how it is structured, why it is so obviously of mutual benefit, what leaving would actually entail, and so forth.

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PostRe: Brexit
by DML » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:20 pm

captain red dog wrote:
Lucien wrote:
captain red dog wrote:I'd back another referendum to help settle the issue. I think Leave would still win, and not because I'd vote leave. People have become so entrenched on either side that I don't see much movement at all. All of the people I know who voted Remain are still passionately Remain and all of the people I know that voted Leave are still passionately Leavers.


Why?

Legitimacy. If the country voted to leave again then nobody can really complain about the vote. If we vote to remain, that is reversible no matter what happens but once we leave we won't be going back.

So out of fairness, I couldn't really argue against a second vote. I'd prefer this to happen after the final deal has been agreed and then there is absolutely no doubt what we are voting for.

If the deal is remaining in the EU in all but name but leaving the decision making table, then I'd personally change my vote to Remain as you would get none of the benefits of being outside the block in terms of trade.


That will be the deal. They can't actually no deal, it'd be suicide. Read between the lines is what I would recommend.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Blue Eyes » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:35 pm

Karl wrote:My only concern with a second referendum is that the typical citizen still has no idea what the EU does, how it is structured, why it is so obviously of mutual benefit, what leaving would actually entail, and so forth.

Yes. I'd much rather it was decided and addressed to the public that it simply can't be done without destroying our country and therefore won't be done. There is even less chance of that happening than a second referendum, though, so yeah.

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:40 pm

Keep in mind the Soil Association has a vested interest in flogging Organic, but...

There is more to fear from a trade deal with the US than just chlorine-washed chicken and hormone-treated beef, the Soil Association has warned, after it released a report outlining 10 “food safety risks”.

The report, published this week, highlights practices legal in the US, such as the use of chicken litter as cattle feed, as concerning and calls on stakeholders in UK food to be allowed input on any future trade negotiations with the US.

Chicken litter - a render of feathers, spilled feed, poultry excrement and sometimes even carcases - is marketed as a cheap feed product for cattle in the US.

While the EU allows its use as a fertiliser, it was banned as a feedstuff following the BSE outbreak in 2001. There have also been reports of carcases in litter being linked to outbreaks of botulism.

The Soil Association also cited the use of growth hormone ractopamine in pork, a drug banned in the EU that causes animals to process feed more efficiently, thereby gaining weight and resulting in more meat in a shorter timeframe.

Importing such meat would effectively undercut UK farmers, said National Pig Association CEO Zoe Davies.

“We would expect retailers to come down on our side and hold foreign producers to the same standards they hold us,” she said. “But in terms of negotiations, the government is yet to earn back our trust on equivalence of standards.”

The US FDA has acknowledged adverse effects in pigs that ingest the drug. Its guidelines state that bottles must carry the warning: ‘Ractopamine may increase the number of injured and/or fatigued pigs during marketing.’

It follows repeated assertions by environment secretary Michael Gove that UK food and welfare standards would not be compromised as a result of a trade deal.

The report also highlights heavy use of genetic engineering in the US, a topic often “tiptoed around” by the EU, the Soil Association claimed, which was hailed as the way forward by environment secretary Michael Gove.

The NGO also highlighted the use of atrazine as a herbicide in corn and sugarcane production as a concern. The chemical, which has been linked to cancer and fertility issues, is the second most commonly used herbicide in the US.

It is claimed to seep through soil to contaminate drinking water and was banned in the EU in 2004 following health fears when the drug was linked to cancer in rats. A 2014 study also linked the chemical to reduced sperm counts in men who were exposed during application to crops.

“While there is huge uncertainty around implementation and transition periods, and a Brexit deal, it is reasonable to expect significant alignment between UK regulation and EU regulation on pesticides for some time,” said NFU senior regulatory affairs adviser Chris Hartfield.

“The NFU wants the UK to adopt a more evidence-based approach. In the meantime, British farmers remain committed to continued high levels of consumer and environmental protection, which they achieve by having food production standards that are among the best in the world.”

https://m.thegrocer.co.uk/buying-and-su ... 62.article

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:31 pm

Now Arron Banks has come out in support of the second referendum.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Cuttooth » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:48 pm

Yeah this is seriously weird.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Karl » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:48 pm

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PostRe: Brexit
by captain red dog » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:21 pm

DML wrote:
captain red dog wrote:
Lucien wrote:
captain red dog wrote:I'd back another referendum to help settle the issue. I think Leave would still win, and not because I'd vote leave. People have become so entrenched on either side that I don't see much movement at all. All of the people I know who voted Remain are still passionately Remain and all of the people I know that voted Leave are still passionately Leavers.


Why?

Legitimacy. If the country voted to leave again then nobody can really complain about the vote. If we vote to remain, that is reversible no matter what happens but once we leave we won't be going back.

So out of fairness, I couldn't really argue against a second vote. I'd prefer this to happen after the final deal has been agreed and then there is absolutely no doubt what we are voting for.

If the deal is remaining in the EU in all but name but leaving the decision making table, then I'd personally change my vote to Remain as you would get none of the benefits of being outside the block in terms of trade.


That will be the deal. They can't actually no deal, it'd be suicide. Read between the lines is what I would recommend.

I voted Brexit, I'm obviously not clever enough to read! ;)

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PostRe: Brexit
by Glowy69 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:53 pm

If we had another vote, all I can hope is the youth actually bother to vote, and it would be a landslide, even though so many that voted to leave still only did it cus of foreigners and has since been debunked, the NHS bollocks as well, they'd still do it, because people are strawberry floating stubborn.

In other news did everyone see the J'OB video of him asking a caller to name one thing May has done well

"she's enacted the will of the people"
"article 50"
"will of the people"

Fabian Delph is a banana split.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:02 pm


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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:21 pm


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PostRe: Brexit
by Snowcannon » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:45 pm

Glowy69 wrote:If we had another vote, all I can hope is the youth actually bother to vote, and it would be a landslide, even though so many that voted to leave still only did it cus of foreigners and has since been debunked, the NHS bollocks as well, they'd still do it, because people are strawberry floating stubborn.

In other news did everyone see the J'OB video of him asking a caller to name one thing May has done well

"she's enacted the will of the people"
"article 50"
"will of the people"


Link?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:08 pm

Snowcannon wrote:
Glowy69 wrote:If we had another vote, all I can hope is the youth actually bother to vote, and it would be a landslide, even though so many that voted to leave still only did it cus of foreigners and has since been debunked, the NHS bollocks as well, they'd still do it, because people are strawberry floating stubborn.

In other news did everyone see the J'OB video of him asking a caller to name one thing May has done well

"she's enacted the will of the people"
"article 50"
"will of the people"


Link?



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PostRe: Brexit
by Dual » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:19 pm

Moggy wrote:


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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:19 pm

Farage has changed his mind again

The EU referendum on June 23, 2016 was the greatest democratic exercise in the history of our nation. In the face of the global establishment and the outrageous tissue of lies peddled by those responsible for Project Fear, people still voted to Leave the European Union. That should have been that. If only. Had the Remain side won, any suggestion that a second referendum should be held would have been dismissed. But the establishment for once found itself on the losing side. Over the last 18 months its efforts to delay, to water down or, at the most extreme end of its wish-list, to re-run the referendum altogether know no bounds.

It is the nature of the dishonesty of our political class that the vast majority of our MPs stood on general election manifestos pledging to leave the EU and the single market, yet just months later that so many of them have conveniently changed their tune. It is not surprising, but it is shameful. While I want the 2016 referendum result to be honoured, however, and know that a second referendum would create huge uncertainties for Britain, I am beginning to fear that a second plebiscite may well happen anyway.

Here’s why. My meeting with Mr Barnier earlier this week left me in no doubt that a grown-up, rounded trade agreement to cover both goods and services is not possible thanks to the truculence of most of the bureaucrats who run the EU. This view was confirmed by comments from a meeting held subsequent to mine between Barnier and three prominent British businessmen: former Director-General of the CBI Digby Jones, the Chief Executive of the British Chambers of Commerce John Longworth, and Labour’s biggest private donor, John Mills. They all left that meeting in a pessimistic mood. I am convinced that the European Union will end up offering a deal to us that is so unattractive that the British Parliament will reject it. In those circumstances - which may well come before the end of this year - the Eurosceptic hope is that we would simply crash out of the EU on WTO rules. That looks like a fantasy, however.

To be clear, I do not want a second referendum, but I fear one may be forced upon the country by parliament.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:31 pm

Lagamorph wrote:Farage has changed his mind again

The EU referendum on June 23, 2016 was the greatest democratic exercise in the history of our nation. In the face of the global establishment and the outrageous tissue of lies peddled by those responsible for Project Fear, people still voted to Leave the European Union. That should have been that. If only. Had the Remain side won, any suggestion that a second referendum should be held would have been dismissed. But the establishment for once found itself on the losing side. Over the last 18 months its efforts to delay, to water down or, at the most extreme end of its wish-list, to re-run the referendum altogether know no bounds.

It is the nature of the dishonesty of our political class that the vast majority of our MPs stood on general election manifestos pledging to leave the EU and the single market, yet just months later that so many of them have conveniently changed their tune. It is not surprising, but it is shameful. While I want the 2016 referendum result to be honoured, however, and know that a second referendum would create huge uncertainties for Britain, I am beginning to fear that a second plebiscite may well happen anyway.

Here’s why. My meeting with Mr Barnier earlier this week left me in no doubt that a grown-up, rounded trade agreement to cover both goods and services is not possible thanks to the truculence of most of the bureaucrats who run the EU. This view was confirmed by comments from a meeting held subsequent to mine between Barnier and three prominent British businessmen: former Director-General of the CBI Digby Jones, the Chief Executive of the British Chambers of Commerce John Longworth, and Labour’s biggest private donor, John Mills. They all left that meeting in a pessimistic mood. I am convinced that the European Union will end up offering a deal to us that is so unattractive that the British Parliament will reject it. In those circumstances - which may well come before the end of this year - the Eurosceptic hope is that we would simply crash out of the EU on WTO rules. That looks like a fantasy, however.

To be clear, I do not want a second referendum, but I fear one may be forced upon the country by parliament.


He’s such a twat. His Tweet earlier didn’t really say any of that, but he’s now shitting himself because his core support reacted so badly to his idea for a second referendum. :lol:


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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:55 pm

Toss pot


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