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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
206
79%
Leave the European Union
54
21%
 
Total votes: 260
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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:17 pm

Squinty wrote:I actually felt angry reading some of those.


My job here is done. 8-)

Photek wrote:where are they getting there views that the UK is better economically than the EU for Ireland?


They believe the UK is the greatest nation on Earth. They seem to think that the Empire can be renewed. They think that the UK is so amazing that the rest of the world will be falling over themselves to give the UK anything it wants.

At the same time they also have a massive victim complex and believe that the UK only suffers because other nations are picking on the UK and that they are just jealous of the UK.

Melters.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:21 pm

Interestingly, those comments show something Remainers have predicted all along. Any hardship or disasters in the future will not be the fault of Leavers, it will be the fault of the EU for “bullying us” and/or Remainers for “talking the country down”.

These people will never ever accept that they were wrong or that they were lied to.

As I said yesterday, it is easier to fool somebody than convince them that they have been fooled. And these people are the most foolish of all of the fools. It doesn't bode well for this country over the next 5-10 years when the angry and poor Leave voters start feeling the pinch and are looking to lash out.

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PostRe: Brexit
by andretmzt » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:32 pm

I said to my friends when the results came out that it didn't matter that leave won as one benefit to the Civil Service getting strawberry floated by the Tories is that that it wouldn't be able to handle the fallout.

I'm still sitting here going 'nah, it's not going to happen' and even today Lord Adonis made the point in the Grauniad that the Civil Service is not up to the task. Worryingly though, the government doesn't seem to care...

Still, it won't happen.....right?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:37 pm

A poll finds that 58% of Leave voters would pay to be able to retain their EU citizenship rights.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 19001.html

:fp: :lol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:41 pm

andretmzt wrote:I said to my friends when the results came out that it didn't matter that leave won as one benefit to the Civil Service getting strawberry floated by the Tories is that that it wouldn't be able to handle the fallout.

I'm still sitting here going 'nah, it's not going to happen' and even today Lord Adonis made the point in the Grauniad that the Civil Service is not up to the task. Worryingly though, the government doesn't seem to care...

Still, it won't happen.....right?


I've brought this up before as well. I feel sorry any civil servant having to deal with this shitshow.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Hexx » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:43 pm

Moggy wrote:A poll finds that 58% of Leave voters would pay to be able to retain their EU citizenship rights.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 19001.html

:fp: :lol:


I'm willing to bet it'll be all the EUs fault for not offering that option too

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PostRe: Brexit
by Blue Eyes » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:45 pm

Moggy wrote:A poll finds that 58% of Leave voters would pay to be able to retain their EU citizenship rights.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 19001.html

:fp: :lol:

strawberry float! I hate the general public so much!

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:03 pm

Moggy wrote:A poll finds that 58% of Leave voters would pay to be able to retain their EU citizenship rights.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 19001.html

:fp: :lol:

On average, respondents said they would expect to pay £405 per year, which included 32 per cent of people who would not be willing to pay anything.

So if everyone eligible to vote paid what they would be willing to pay the EU for EU citizenship (including those who don't want to pay anything), would we be sending the EU more money from the UK than we currently do?

46,501,241 eligible to vote in the referendum * £405 average payment per year = £18.83 billion per year to the EU

In 2015, the UK’s full membership fee was £17.8 billion. However, Britain doesn’t pay that full fee. Because of a deal negotiated by Margaret Thatcher in 1984, Britain gets a “rebate”, an annual reduction in contributions.

In 2015, that rebate reduced our contribution to £12.9 billion. That’s around £200 for every person in the UK.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/how-m ... t-pay-for/
In 2016 the UK government paid £13.1 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4.5 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at about £8.6 billion.

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-memb ... 5-million/

:lol: :cry:

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PostRe: Brexit
by captain red dog » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:06 pm

Moggy wrote:A poll finds that 58% of Leave voters would pay to be able to retain their EU citizenship rights.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 19001.html

:fp: :lol:

You would need details on the sample demographics, I'd imagine if you took into account the working class leave voters the data would be significantly skewed the other way.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:06 pm

Garth wrote:
Moggy wrote:A poll finds that 58% of Leave voters would pay to be able to retain their EU citizenship rights.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 19001.html

:fp: :lol:

On average, respondents said they would expect to pay £405 per year, which included 32 per cent of people who would not be willing to pay anything.

So if everyone eligible to vote paid what they would be willing to pay the EU for EU citizenship (including those who don't want to pay anything), would we be sending the EU more money from the UK than we currently do?

46,501,241 eligible to vote in the referendum * £405 average payment per year = £18.83 billion per year to the EU

In 2015, the UK’s full membership fee was £17.8 billion. However, Britain doesn’t pay that full fee. Because of a deal negotiated by Margaret Thatcher in 1984, Britain gets a “rebate”, an annual reduction in contributions.

In 2015, that rebate reduced our contribution to £12.9 billion. That’s around £200 for every person in the UK.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/how-m ... t-pay-for/

In 2016 the UK government paid £13.1 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4.5 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at about £8.6 billion.

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-memb ... 5-million/

:lol: :cry:


I say we just send the NHS £350million a week instead.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:07 pm

captain red dog wrote:
Moggy wrote:A poll finds that 58% of Leave voters would pay to be able to retain their EU citizenship rights.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 19001.html

:fp: :lol:

You would need details on the sample demographics, I'd imagine if you took into account the working class leave voters the data would be significantly skewed the other way.


Can we ask the working class leave voters the question while they are queuing up for 4 hours at a Spanish airport?

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PostRe: Brexit
by DML » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:14 pm

captain red dog wrote:
Moggy wrote:A poll finds that 58% of Leave voters would pay to be able to retain their EU citizenship rights.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 19001.html

:fp: :lol:

You would need details on the sample demographics, I'd imagine if you took into account the working class leave voters the data would be significantly skewed the other way.


Oh strawberry float off.

Mod edit: Please refrain from telling other members to strawberry float off.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:20 pm

Moggy wrote:I say we just send the NHS £350million a week instead.

We could do £362 million per week with that kind of money :datass:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:23 pm

Garth wrote:
Moggy wrote:I say we just send the NHS £350million a week instead.

We could do £362 million per week with that kind of money :datass:


Forget that, we could buy an extra 3 or 4 DUP MPs every week. :shock: :shock: :shock:

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PostRe: Brexit
by BID0 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:28 pm

Garth wrote:
Moggy wrote:A poll finds that 58% of Leave voters would pay to be able to retain their EU citizenship rights.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 19001.html

:fp: :lol:

On average, respondents said they would expect to pay £405 per year, which included 32 per cent of people who would not be willing to pay anything.

So if everyone eligible to vote paid what they would be willing to pay the EU for EU citizenship (including those who don't want to pay anything), would we be sending the EU more money from the UK than we currently do?

46,501,241 eligible to vote in the referendum * £405 average payment per year = £18.83 billion per year to the EU

In 2015, the UK’s full membership fee was £17.8 billion. However, Britain doesn’t pay that full fee. Because of a deal negotiated by Margaret Thatcher in 1984, Britain gets a “rebate”, an annual reduction in contributions.

In 2015, that rebate reduced our contribution to £12.9 billion. That’s around £200 for every person in the UK.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/how-m ... t-pay-for/
In 2016 the UK government paid £13.1 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4.5 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at about £8.6 billion.

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-memb ... 5-million/

:lol: :cry:

When I got my tax breakdown from the DWP 2 years ago I think my contribution for that year towards EU membership was something between 50p - £5 :lol: and I'm guessing most of that comes back in the rebate from the EU.

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PostRe: Brexit
by BID0 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:35 pm

Here's the pie chart from the letter I got back in 2015

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29898083

Did anyone else get one? I have only had the one ever. It gave you a complete break down of every penny of the TAX/NI you paid that year and where it went.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:36 pm

See how much they take! It will change everything!!

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:39 pm

BID0 wrote:Here's the pie chart from the letter I got back in 2015

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29898083

Did anyone else get one? I have only had the one ever. It gave you a complete break down of every penny of the TAX/NI you paid that year and where it went.


I don’t remember ever receiving one.

I’d imagine Leavers will be split amongst two groups with that though. One group would say “even 1p wud b 2 much ITS R MONEY!!” and the other group would say it was all lies and we actually pay far more than the government would ever dare to admit.

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PostRe: Brexit
by BID0 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:39 pm

Errkal wrote:See how much they take! It will change everything!!

Now that money can be added to the mustard coloured health segment :datass:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Eighthours » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:41 pm

Moggy wrote:Interestingly, those comments show something Remainers have predicted all along. Any hardship or disasters in the future will not be the fault of Leavers, it will be the fault of the EU for “bullying us” and/or Remainers for “talking the country down”.

These people will never ever accept that they were wrong or that they were lied to.

As I said yesterday, it is easier to fool somebody than convince them that they have been fooled. And these people are the most foolish of all of the fools. It doesn't bode well for this country over the next 5-10 years when the angry and poor Leave voters start feeling the pinch and are looking to lash out.


The flip side of this is that any good news is immediately reported as 'Despite Brexit...' The fringes of both sides are rubbish. I really hope that mainstream Leave supporters aren't anything like those people you quoted.


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