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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
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Leave the European Union
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Total votes: 279
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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:02 am

jawafour wrote:
Moggy wrote:Jawa, I think we view this from a light year away from each other. I like your optimism but I just don't share it.

I'm not so sure, Moggy! Sure, there is no doubt that we have differing views on the possible success (or not!) of the change but, in terms of the values you've spoken of, they would appear to tie up with mine pretty much.


That’s why I think we are only a light year apart and not an entire galaxy. ;)

From my point of view I cannot see many, if any, positives from Brexit. Let’s break it down a bit.

Trade: I am not silly enough to think that all trade will stop as soon as Britain leaves the EU, but I am also not silly enough to think “We can do a deal with China and/or America and it’ll all be fine”. Trade deals are massively complex (Trump thinks it will be easy, but he’s a liar) and take YEARS. It will be at least 2019 until we can sit around the table and start negotiating with other countries. Add on at least another 5 years to do a deal. In a best case scenario we are looking at 2024 before any deal is signed. And that’s assuming that the deal would be beneficial to us, that the deal doesn’t collapse, that the deal replaces what we lose from the EU.

All the while our economy will be suffering from trade barriers and tariffs being introduced with our largest trading partners in the EU.

I can’t see this being anything but a disaster. Especially when you remember how shaky our economy is at the moment anyway.

Movement of people: People will still be able to go on holiday and visit other countries, but the door is going to be slammed shut on the system we are currently used to where we can easily pack up and move to another European country. For decades now we have had the right and the ability to just decide to move to France or Spain or Italy or Germany if we wanted to. That right is being taken away from us.

On the other side, EU citizens will no longer be able to come to the UK to live and work. Which sounds great to people like Farage, but we need those people. As an example. We are already we are seeing that fruit farmers are going to be unable to collect their harvests due to a lack of fruit pickers. We are seeing a massive drop from the EU for applications to the NHS. For those EU citizens that are already here, we are seeing fear and uncertainty as they don’t know if they will be allowed to stay.

And for what?

Laws and regulations: While the UK might not have full control over every law and regulation, does that matter? What EU laws/regulations are there that have had a negative impact on Britain?

As things stand, we are an equal member of the EU and have an equal say in the laws/regulations that are passed. We can veto anything big.

In future we are going to be sat on the sidelines, with no say at all in what those laws and regulations are. That might sound like Britain taking back control, but we really will not be in many areas. To trade with the EU, we will be expected to adhere to their minimum standards. EU regulations will then actually be dictating to us what we can and can’t do if we want to be able to sell goods and services to them. And we will have absolutely no say in what those regulations are.

I half understand the point that it better to make your own laws, but that simply doesn’t work in the modern world. We are a globalised planet now, we have to follow rules, laws and regulations set by all sorts of organisations. The UN, NATO and the WTO to name just three.

Any actual “British laws” we make are going to end up being things we could do anyway. Because we can not risk losing EU trade.

Our standing in the world – We are no longer living in the 1800s, Britain is no longer a superpower. As things stand we are a big fish in a big pond, membership of the EU gives us a huge voice in the world. On our own we will be a small island off of the coast of France. We are likely to remain a rich and powerful nation, but we are not so rich or so powerful that anybody really needs to listen to us.

Our image is going to suffer, Trump might love that we are leaving the EU, but Trump is an idiot. The rest of the world doesn’t really understand why we are leaving (nor does half of this country!). And our governments repeated use of words like “No deal is better than a bad deal”, “We will have our cake and eat it” and “We will walk away without paying” hardly puts us in a good light with the rest of the world.

I think Britain outside of the EU will lose a massive amount of respect and a huge amount of confidence. You might think China will be desperate to do a deal with us, it will be more like we will be desperate to deal with them and it is not that likely that the Chinese are going to give us amazing terms.

General miscellany: The rise in hatred towards foreigners is terrifying to me. I know you agree on this, but it cannot be understated how much bile there is out there towards foreign born people. “Why are you still here”, “We voted to get rid of you” etc. I don’t think all Leave voters are racists, but I absolutely guarantee that Leave wouldn’t have won without the racists. Winning a vote with racist support should be worrying to anybody.

There are left wing Leave supporters of course (Corbyn being the most famous!), but it’s generally a hard right movement. Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage were the heads of the two Leave campaigns and I don’t believe that what Boris and Nigel want for the country is going to be good for the country as a whole.

I am droning on now and have written far more than I meant to. :lol: I guess my overall view is that I have always been happy to be a part of the EU, it brings Europe together and makes us part of something bigger than just the UK. And it’s all being taken away from us based mainly on mistruths, lies and racism. And that depresses me.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:04 am

Squinty wrote:This seems like a witch-hunt and I'm not sure I like it.


How is it a witch hunt?

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PostRe: Brexit
by jawafour » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:27 am

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:34 am

jawafour wrote:Moggy, you'll forgive me if I say that whilst I read through your post, I can't really respond to every point - it was pretty all-encompassing! However, I will talk about one key aspect that, like you, I feel is terrible:

Moggy wrote:...The rise in hatred towards foreigners is terrifying to me. I know you agree on this, but it cannot be understated how much bile there is out there towards foreign born people. “Why are you still here”, “We voted to get rid of you” etc. I don’t think all Leave voters are racists, but I absolutely guarantee that Leave wouldn’t have won without the racists. Winning a vote with racist support should be worrying to anybody...

Right from the off, I'll say that, yes, many racist people will have voted Leave. Those types of people are ignorant and it is hard to see what can be done to change their views; it is vile. No decent person wants to associate with them. However, I can only speak from my own experiences... whilst, of course, listening to the experiences of others and helping to ensure that such incidents are dealt with appropriately by the laws. I live in south London, a multi-cultural area in terms of the variety of people and backgrounds. I believe that the proportion of people that shout out the abuse you described is very small; I am not saying it doesn't exist, nor that we should ever ignore it, but overall I feel that the majority of people are welcoming, accepting and hospitable. We'll need to ensure that this approach is not undermined by the ignorance of a minority.



It’s fine to not respond to everything Jawa, as I said I wrote far more than I was planning to. :lol:

I agree that the percentage of people that will shout out (or worse actually commit violence!) in the street is small. But they are backed up by a much larger percentage that spread the same views online or in private. And then there is another group that have those views and keep them mainly to themselves.

It’s pretty clear that Leave wouldn’t have won without those groups.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:01 am

The issue isn't the it was a racist vote, they are small percentage of the overall group and to call them racist would be wrong.

However, those who are racist seem to feel that the vote has legitimised their view, they see that "Leave" won and because they are simple in the head that means to them all the reasons they did it are the reasons everyone did it and so feel it is fine now to tell people to "get out" and "we voted to get rid of you" etc.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Photek » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:04 am

I love you Jawa man but you really are naive which is kinda nice and infuriating me at the same time. :wub: :x

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PostRe: Brexit
by Hexx » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:07 am

Photek wrote:I love you Jawa man but you really are naive which is kinda nice and infuriating me at the same time. :wub: :x


He's so nice about it though :wub: I still can't past

"Stop talking about theories and suspicions. Let's talk about facts!"
**Here are some facts**
"Stop talking about facts, let's talk about what might be happening behind the scenes!"

When's Jawafive come online? :P.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:14 am

Errkal wrote:The issue isn't the it was a racist vote, they are small percentage of the overall group and to call them racist would be wrong.


It depends on what you class as racist. The out and out KKK (no offence to KK) types are a small percentage. But I am not convinced that the more casual racists are as small a group as you think. We have been told again and again that it was the immigration issue that was the biggest factor after all.

I am 100% convinced that if you removed all racist votes, then Remain would have won by a very healthy margin.

I don't think all Leavers are racists, but I think all racists were Leavers.

However, those who are racist seem to feel that the vote has legitimised their view, they see that "Leave" won and because they are simple in the head that means to them all the reasons they did it are the reasons everyone did it and so feel it is fine now to tell people to "get out" and "we voted to get rid of you" etc.


I agree with that. Trump winning also did a similar thing.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:17 am

Hexx wrote:
Photek wrote:I love you Jawa man but you really are naive which is kinda nice and infuriating me at the same time. :wub: :x


He's so nice about it though :wub: I still can't past

"Stop talking about theories and suspicions. Let's talk about facts!"
**Here are some facts**
"Stop talking about facts, let's talk about what might be happening behind the scenes!"

When's Jawafive come online? :P.


Jawa is too lovely for these types of chats. He sees the positive in almost everything, whereas the rest of us (whether Leave or Remain) are foaming at the mouth with anger. :lol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:19 am

He is infuriatingly positive, it must be great to be that positive all the time. I guess it is what has stopped him snapping and killing his neighbours and stuff.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Hexx » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:21 am

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PostRe: Brexit
by Corazon de Leon » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:36 am

First of all, apologies for the scattershot nature of this post - I'm not able to source a lot of the evidence I know is available for my thoughts on this, but I will try to do this later on when I'm home.

Jawafour wrote:I believe the government is planning an Australian-style points system for immigration


Just for a little bit more information - the Australian immigration system as I understand it is pretty disgusting; the points system in principle is wonderful, but Australia is, despite what you might think, an extremely, supremely right-wing country* and their immigration system in the recent past has been used to justify things such as the White Australia policy which was in place until something like 1973.

In the present day, you find that the Australian internment camps for refugees and some immigrants are badly organised, poorly run and conditions are very poor. Particularly Manus Island, in Papua New Guinea from what I've read. It's currently in the process of being closed down(with bulldozers for added effect) with people still inside. Australia is currently the only country in the world that operates a policy of mandatory detention for refugees arriving without a visa.

A lot of migrants to the country find themselves in low paying, borderline exploitative professions such as those found in the agricultural sector. That's more of a temporary migrant issue, but from what I've seen of the way they work their short-term work visas, it's pretty tough for people trying to get a foothold in the country.

I do not want the United Kingdom to become more like Australia.

*Source - anecdotal, to be fair, from travelling and meeting a lot of Australians, as well as the stories my girlfriend is fond of telling from back in the home country. My girlfriend is pretty liberal for an Aussie but pretty far to the right of me, a centrist. Looking at some of their recent Prime Ministahs, e.g. Tony Abbott, Julia Gillard etc, and their policies on wildlife conservation and immigration, I think this is a fair assumption. I also know the One Nation anti-immigration party is making some political inroads - four senators were elected last year from across the country.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:04 am

Corazon de Leon wrote:First of all, apologies for the scattershot nature of this post - I'm not able to source a lot of the evidence I know is available for my thoughts on this, but I will try to do this later on when I'm home.

Jawafour wrote:I believe the government is planning an Australian-style points system for immigration


Just for a little bit more information - the Australian immigration system as I understand it is pretty disgusting; the points system in principle is wonderful, but Australia is, despite what you might think, an extremely, supremely right-wing country* and their immigration system in the recent past has been used to justify things such as the White Australia policy which was in place until something like 1973.

In the present day, you find that the Australian internment camps for refugees and some immigrants are badly organised, poorly run and conditions are very poor. Particularly Manus Island, in Papua New Guinea from what I've read. It's currently in the process of being closed down(with bulldozers for added effect) with people still inside. Australia is currently the only country in the world that operates a policy of mandatory detention for refugees arriving without a visa.

A lot of migrants to the country find themselves in low paying, borderline exploitative professions such as those found in the agricultural sector. That's more of a temporary migrant issue, but from what I've seen of the way they work their short-term work visas, it's pretty tough for people trying to get a foothold in the country.

I do not want the United Kingdom to become more like Australia.

*Source - anecdotal, to be fair, from travelling and meeting a lot of Australians, as well as the stories my girlfriend is fond of telling from back in the home country. My girlfriend is pretty liberal for an Aussie but pretty far to the right of me, a centrist. Looking at some of their recent Prime Ministahs, e.g. Tony Abbott, Julia Gillard etc, and their policies on wildlife conservation and immigration, I think this is a fair assumption. I also know the One Nation anti-immigration party is making some political inroads - four senators were elected last year from across the country.


I agree with Cora, but to add to that, there is no reason we can’t have an “Aussie style points system” while still being in the EU.

We have full control over immigration from non-EU countries – there is nothing at all from a legal point of view that forces us to take in refugees/non-EU migrants.

When it comes to EU immigration, there are plenty of rules that can be applied to stop too many coming. The UK isn’t in Schengen for instance and so doesn’t have to let people through the borders. Once here, EU citizens have the right to work, but there is nothing to stop them being asked to leave/deported if they are not working (Belgium for instance insists on people having jobs or enough money to support themselves independently).

The EU has free movement, but that doesn’t mean any member state has to accept literally everyone.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:18 am

Moggy wrote:
Squinty wrote:This seems like a witch-hunt and I'm not sure I like it.


How is it a witch hunt?


I wasn't sure of the tone of some of the previous posts. I could point them out but I'm not going to, I don't think that's fair to do to anyone involved. The fact that everyone in the thread seems to have just rounded on the guy also makes me a bit wary.

Maybe I have misconstrued this. Fair enough if so.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Corazon de Leon » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:24 am

Squinty wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Squinty wrote:This seems like a witch-hunt and I'm not sure I like it.


How is it a witch hunt?


I wasn't sure of the tone of some of the previous posts. I could point them out but I'm not going to, I don't think that's fair to do to anyone involved. The fact that everyone in the thread seems to have just rounded on the guy also makes me a bit wary.

Maybe I have misconstrued this. Fair enough if so.


To be fair I can see where you're coming from with a few people responding to Jawa over the last page or so - I don't think it was a witch hunt because from the posts I've read most people have come back with reasoned discussion on his thoughts and he's responded in kind with reasoned discussion of his own. Jawa doesn't seem to have been dissuaded from posting and I'm quite glad about that because I like reading different points of view, and discussing them.

The problem with issues like this is that there are a whole spectrum of opinions and none can be declared invalid until we have the benefit of hindsight. With no definitive right or wrong answer, what you sometimes end up with is a whole load of people trying to convince people of their righteousness and hitting a brick wall. There are a lot of incompatible views in this thread, but that's ok as long as we understand this and keep the tone reasonably friendly. :D

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:36 am

Squinty wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Squinty wrote:This seems like a witch-hunt and I'm not sure I like it.


How is it a witch hunt?


I wasn't sure of the tone of some of the previous posts. I could point them out but I'm not going to, I don't think that's fair to do to anyone involved. The fact that everyone in the thread seems to have just rounded on the guy also makes me a bit wary.

Maybe I have misconstrued this. Fair enough if so.


I think you have misunderstood it. There are very few Brexit supporters on this forum (and there are very few Jawa’s in the world as a whole). People were not attacking him or ganging up on him, he is just a lone voice amongst a lot of people that disagree with him.

There is no solution to that really, either people with differing opinions shouldn’t post, or people should not reply to those with differing opinions. Neither of those sound good options to me.

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PostRe: Brexit
by DML » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:48 am

jawafour wrote:Moggy, you'll forgive me if I say that whilst I read through your post, I can't really respond to every point - it was pretty all-encompassing! However, I will talk about one key aspect that, like you, I feel is terrible:

Moggy wrote:...The rise in hatred towards foreigners is terrifying to me. I know you agree on this, but it cannot be understated how much bile there is out there towards foreign born people. “Why are you still here”, “We voted to get rid of you” etc. I don’t think all Leave voters are racists, but I absolutely guarantee that Leave wouldn’t have won without the racists. Winning a vote with racist support should be worrying to anybody...

Right from the off, I'll say that, yes, many racist people will have voted Leave. Those types of people are ignorant and it is hard to see what can be done to change their views; it is vile. No decent person wants to associate with them. However, I can only speak from my own experiences... whilst, of course, listening to the experiences of others and helping to ensure that such incidents are dealt with appropriately by the laws. I live in south London, a multi-cultural area in terms of the variety of people and backgrounds. I believe that the proportion of people that shout out the abuse you described is very small; I am not saying it doesn't exist, nor that we should ever ignore it, but overall I feel that the majority of people are welcoming, accepting and hospitable. We'll need to ensure that this approach is not undermined by the ignorance of a minority.


Honestly, I think its less of a minority than you think. Maybe not vile language but certainly ignorance.

I was on holiday in Greece a month ago, and I heard many of the Brits complaining about there being so many Bulgarians. We were literally 100 miles from Bulgaria! :lol:

That was the majority of the British people we were on holiday with.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Return_of_the_STAR » Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:08 am

Moggy wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:First of all, apologies for the scattershot nature of this post - I'm not able to source a lot of the evidence I know is available for my thoughts on this, but I will try to do this later on when I'm home.

Jawafour wrote:I believe the government is planning an Australian-style points system for immigration


Just for a little bit more information - the Australian immigration system as I understand it is pretty disgusting; the points system in principle is wonderful, but Australia is, despite what you might think, an extremely, supremely right-wing country* and their immigration system in the recent past has been used to justify things such as the White Australia policy which was in place until something like 1973.

In the present day, you find that the Australian internment camps for refugees and some immigrants are badly organised, poorly run and conditions are very poor. Particularly Manus Island, in Papua New Guinea from what I've read. It's currently in the process of being closed down(with bulldozers for added effect) with people still inside. Australia is currently the only country in the world that operates a policy of mandatory detention for refugees arriving without a visa.

A lot of migrants to the country find themselves in low paying, borderline exploitative professions such as those found in the agricultural sector. That's more of a temporary migrant issue, but from what I've seen of the way they work their short-term work visas, it's pretty tough for people trying to get a foothold in the country.

I do not want the United Kingdom to become more like Australia.

*Source - anecdotal, to be fair, from travelling and meeting a lot of Australians, as well as the stories my girlfriend is fond of telling from back in the home country. My girlfriend is pretty liberal for an Aussie but pretty far to the right of me, a centrist. Looking at some of their recent Prime Ministahs, e.g. Tony Abbott, Julia Gillard etc, and their policies on wildlife conservation and immigration, I think this is a fair assumption. I also know the One Nation anti-immigration party is making some political inroads - four senators were elected last year from across the country.


I agree with Cora, but to add to that, there is no reason we can’t have an “Aussie style points system” while still being in the EU.

We have full control over immigration from non-EU countries – there is nothing at all from a legal point of view that forces us to take in refugees/non-EU migrants.

When it comes to EU immigration, there are plenty of rules that can be applied to stop too many coming. The UK isn’t in Schengen for instance and so doesn’t have to let people through the borders. Once here, EU citizens have the right to work, but there is nothing to stop them being asked to leave/deported if they are not working (Belgium for instance insists on people having jobs or enough money to support themselves independently).

The EU has free movement, but that doesn’t mean any member state has to accept literally everyone.


This I believe has been the big failing though of our governments for the past 20 or so years. They've failed to get this message across to the public. The DM, Sun and the Express particularly have spent many many years telling the public that we can't control our borders whilst in the EU. They've implied that it's the EUs fault that the Somalian you are queuing behind at the supermarket is here and the Polish guy who sexually assaulted a kid wasn't deported after his prison release when in fact it's our governments fault for not enforcing things.

Quite simply our governments for whatever reason haven't wanted to enforce various things that they could have. Did you know if order for an Non British EU citizen to get deported for an offence then the CPS have to submit paperwork to the courts at the trial. If they don't do that then once he's sentenced then it's too late and they will be released here. I spoke to an inspector of the border agency in my region a few months back and she said that this rarely happens. There are so many offences that people can be deported for and refused readmittance but firstly the paperwork is rarely submitted and secondly they just walk back into the country as the right checks are not being carried out when they return.

If our governments had got a handle on these aspects then the right wing papers wouldn't have had as much ammo to aim a the EU over than straight bananas.

On immigration from outside of the EU. It's been our successive governments choice to let people in from various countries whether it's because they are relatives or claiming asylum and we've accepted them or refused to deport them because of a lack of resources again.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:18 am

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:First of all, apologies for the scattershot nature of this post - I'm not able to source a lot of the evidence I know is available for my thoughts on this, but I will try to do this later on when I'm home.

Jawafour wrote:I believe the government is planning an Australian-style points system for immigration


Just for a little bit more information - the Australian immigration system as I understand it is pretty disgusting; the points system in principle is wonderful, but Australia is, despite what you might think, an extremely, supremely right-wing country* and their immigration system in the recent past has been used to justify things such as the White Australia policy which was in place until something like 1973.

In the present day, you find that the Australian internment camps for refugees and some immigrants are badly organised, poorly run and conditions are very poor. Particularly Manus Island, in Papua New Guinea from what I've read. It's currently in the process of being closed down(with bulldozers for added effect) with people still inside. Australia is currently the only country in the world that operates a policy of mandatory detention for refugees arriving without a visa.

A lot of migrants to the country find themselves in low paying, borderline exploitative professions such as those found in the agricultural sector. That's more of a temporary migrant issue, but from what I've seen of the way they work their short-term work visas, it's pretty tough for people trying to get a foothold in the country.

I do not want the United Kingdom to become more like Australia.

*Source - anecdotal, to be fair, from travelling and meeting a lot of Australians, as well as the stories my girlfriend is fond of telling from back in the home country. My girlfriend is pretty liberal for an Aussie but pretty far to the right of me, a centrist. Looking at some of their recent Prime Ministahs, e.g. Tony Abbott, Julia Gillard etc, and their policies on wildlife conservation and immigration, I think this is a fair assumption. I also know the One Nation anti-immigration party is making some political inroads - four senators were elected last year from across the country.


I agree with Cora, but to add to that, there is no reason we can’t have an “Aussie style points system” while still being in the EU.

We have full control over immigration from non-EU countries – there is nothing at all from a legal point of view that forces us to take in refugees/non-EU migrants.

When it comes to EU immigration, there are plenty of rules that can be applied to stop too many coming. The UK isn’t in Schengen for instance and so doesn’t have to let people through the borders. Once here, EU citizens have the right to work, but there is nothing to stop them being asked to leave/deported if they are not working (Belgium for instance insists on people having jobs or enough money to support themselves independently).

The EU has free movement, but that doesn’t mean any member state has to accept literally everyone.


This I believe has been the big failing though of our governments for the past 20 or so years. They've failed to get this message across to the public. The DM, Sun and the Express particularly have spent many many years telling the public that we can't control our borders whilst in the EU. They've implied that it's the EUs fault that the Somalian you are queuing behind at the supermarket is here and the Polish guy who sexually assaulted a kid wasn't deported after his prison release when in fact it's our governments fault for not enforcing things.

Quite simply our governments for whatever reason haven't wanted to enforce various things that they could have. Did you know if order for an Non British EU citizen to get deported for an offence then the CPS have to submit paperwork to the courts at the trial. If they don't do that then once he's sentenced then it's too late and they will be released here. I spoke to an inspector of the border agency in my region a few months back and she said that this rarely happens. There are so many offences that people can be deported for and refused readmittance but firstly the paperwork is rarely submitted and secondly they just walk back into the country as the right checks are not being carried out when they return.

If our governments had got a handle on these aspects then the right wing papers wouldn't have had as much ammo to aim a the EU over than straight bananas.

On immigration from outside of the EU. It's been our successive governments choice to let people in from various countries whether it's because they are relatives or claiming asylum and we've accepted them or refused to deport them because of a lack of resources again.


I genuinely know somebody who voted Leave on the basis that we are unable to deport paedophiles to America because America has the death penalty and the EU will not let us deport people to a country with the death penalty.

I mean, it’s hilarious really just how clueless people are and how willing they are to believe bullshit like that. :lol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Photek » Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:29 am

Moggy wrote:The EU has free movement, but that doesn’t mean any member state has to accept literally everyone.

A few EU countries demand you to have a job and a place to reside with proof or you're sent back to the EU country you came from, this law was and IS available to the UK as it is with any other EU country. The UK didn't impose it because on the whole, a lax immigration system increased the supply of labour which was needed.

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