Brexit

Peter Crisp wrote:

Regginator3 wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Simple solution, elect a left wing government. Its not like left wing voters and the working class haven't been suffering for the last decade already.

Never going to happen. The voters have started seeing sense regarding Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott's lies. The trend towards Momentum is reversing.

While some of the more radical leftwing ideas aren't gaining traction I think the era of austerity has to be coming to an end.
The NHS, police and armed forces all desperately need a cash injection or they are just going to start falling apart. They also can't afford any more to take money from other places as they've also been stripped to the bone so either we need tax rises or some more borrowing must be done.
We could also use things like HS3 and other public transport ideas for the north as at the moment it's underfunded with London soaking up most of the funding (although I do think crossrail 2 is something that's desperately needed or maybe a cheaper option would be to refurbish some of the more overcrowded stations) and Wales could also use a few decent links as well.

My point is the idea of austerity is great in theory and I support it but it's getting to a point of diminishing returns and starting to actually harm the economy.

Moggy wrote:

lex-man wrote:I could see Corbyn getting in but it'll be off the back off a really bad brexit.

It’d have to be an apocalyptic Brexit and in that case I don’t think it’ll matter who’s in charge.

lex-man wrote:

Moggy wrote:

lex-man wrote:I could see Corbyn getting in but it'll be off the back off a really bad brexit.

It’d have to be an apocalyptic Brexit and in that case I don’t think it’ll matter who’s in charge.

Yup, if we crash out with a hard Brexit. It could go incredibly badly. How good will the Tories look if flights are cancelled, even if it's just a couple of days.

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DML wrote:I will never understand Labour voters who voted for Brexit. They all knew the Conservatives were in power, what were they expecting to happen? The whole thing was clearly an attempted coup within the Tory party. Heck, if it wasn't for Gove - Johnson would be leading the party right now. Why would you enable that?

Peter Crisp wrote:

Regginator3 wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Simple solution, elect a left wing government. Its not like left wing voters and the working class haven't been suffering for the last decade already.

Never going to happen. The voters have started seeing sense regarding Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott's lies. The trend towards Momentum is reversing.

While some of the more radical leftwing ideas aren't gaining traction I think the era of austerity has to be coming to an end.
The NHS, police and armed forces all desperately need a cash injection or they are just going to start falling apart. They also can't afford any more to take money from other places as they've also been stripped to the bone so either we need tax rises or some more borrowing must be done.
We could also use things like HS3 and other public transport ideas for the north as at the moment it's underfunded with London soaking up most of the funding (although I do think crossrail 2 is something that's desperately needed or maybe a cheaper option would be to refurbish some of the more overcrowded stations) and Wales could also use a few decent links as well.

My point is the idea of austerity is great in theory and I support it but it's getting to a point of diminishing returns and starting to actually harm the economy.

captain red dog wrote:Those Labour members that voted Leave did so under the knowledge that they would only get one chance at it. Tory governments come and go, and even the strongest only "Labour" government didn't acceptably improve things for those at the bottom. Anyone below middle class figures they have nothing left to lose.

Moggy wrote:

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They will never accept the blame for the mess they are dragging us into.

captain red dog wrote:Anyone below middle class figures they have nothing left to lose.

Squinty wrote:I'm a strong believer in root causes. People voted for this. The buck starts and stops there. Don't blame others for your crap decisions.

Karl wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Anyone below middle class figures they have nothing left to lose.

It's going to be interesting to hear how they reflect on this when they're thrown into the workhouses in a few years' time.

Lagamorph wrote:

Squinty wrote:I'm a strong believer in root causes. People voted for this. The buck starts and stops there. Don't blame others for your crap decisions.

There's an argument to say that people voted leave based on complete lies, which is absolutely true when you hear a lot of people's justifications being the bullshit that the Leave campaigns were spouting. You could argue that the responsibility lies with the people who distributed that misinformation.
But of course you can always turn it back to say that those voters had a responsibility to fact check and educate themselves rather than simply believing the stuff coming out of the Mail/Express and people like Johnson/Farage.

The worst part is that many prominent Leave campaigners openly admitted afterwards that they lied during the campaign and suffered utterly zero consequence for it.