Brexit

Segregation and lack of integration is definitely a big problem in certain parts of the UK. Multiculturalism has failed in these towns and neighbourhoods and that needs addressing. You can't social engineer that overnight. Having areas that are practically 100% white and then predominantly asian is no good. I think a lot of 'Surrey Southerners' are oblivious to it because they never venture to these parts of England. The atmosphere in these places is absolutely terrible.

Unless it's China Town, these 1 race enclaves are a breeding ground for hardline views. We don't want to end up like parts of France. But people bury their head in the sand on this subject a lot. Or don't care. "They're all terrorists and racists". Well that's great, but then what. You need a solution. Forced integration in schools has been trailed somewhere in the U.K. I believe, so you effectively engineer a mixed school by closing another.

Aren't most of the places upon the uk that the most anti immigration and foreign people the areas where there is least immigration and impact of it. They have been screwed by conservatives etc. not immigration.

Less than a week in and we're war posturing over Gibraltar

The article isn't an April Fools joke despite the date.

That news from Spain is pretty good for the Scottish independence campaigners, certainly makes a path to EU re-entry seem more viable without that veto hurdle to overcome.

Moggy wrote:Or maybe it's so we can get our passports back?

wow what a great use of public funds
oh well, its only a bit more than the NHS money for a week; worth it!

Does anyone really give a gooseberry fool about the colour of the passport or whether the cover is hardback or not? Who are these people nostalgic for it. It's ridiculous.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:

BID0 wrote:

Errkal wrote:

BID0 wrote:What % of the population even identify as Muslim? Isn't it like 2% or something? I'd be more worried about the various followings of Christ, especially as it influences government and our laws

Yeah but they look like us so it's ok.

I guess you're right

We're not a very religious country so I don't know why so many people let it get to them so badly

It's believed to be 3 million now. You guys are burying your heads in the sand if you don't realise the widespread hatred that is forming towards people of Muslim religion. All you have to do is read any DM article, read the comments and see the thousands of comments that are liked into the tens of thousands. A lot of this hatred and worry I think has been formed on the back of media like the DM and Express. Then you've got Independent news sites that are shared over platforms like Facebook. They wanted out of EU to take back control of our borders because they were told this was the only way of stopping people from those cultures coming here.

I'm well aware of the hated towards Muslims from the knuckle dragging section of the UK.

I just don't think that was one of the main reasons why people voted out of the EU. General hatred of foreigners was a reason not Muslims alone.

Lucien wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Indeed. Millions of people believed that in order to stop millions of Muslims coming to this country we had to leave the EU as they were told that they were all coming into the EU, gaining citizenship in Germany and then they could all come over here. The problem is realistically I think if EU immigration drops then it will increase from these parts of the world. Which goes against what people thought they were voting for.

At least now the government can control immigration. It could limit the immigration of Muslims, though I doubt it will any time soon, tbh.

Well this is where the conversation started, my point was if eu immigration drops then it will increase from these parts of the world which my belief is that is not what many of those who voted for Brexit wanted. If u gave them the choice they would rather have an immigrant from Poland or Slovakia than someone from the Middle East or certain African countries.

KK wrote:Does anyone really give a gooseberry fool about the colour of the passport or whether the cover is hardback or not? Who are these people nostalgic for it. It's ridiculous.

I don't care, I guite like the burgundy one over the black or blue one.

KK wrote:Does anyone really give a gooseberry fool about the colour of the passport or whether the cover is hardback or not? Who are these people nostalgic for it. It's ridiculous.

Leave voters.

KK wrote:Does anyone really give a gooseberry fool about the colour of the passport or whether the cover is hardback or not? Who are these people nostalgic for it. It's ridiculous.

Farage kept waving his passport around during the referendum campaign.

KK wrote:Does anyone really give a gooseberry fool about the colour of the passport or whether the cover is hardback or not? Who are these people nostalgic for it. It's ridiculous.

People looking to go back to the good old days.

Delusional strawberry floaters basically.

Moggy wrote:I just don't think that was one of the main reasons why people voted out of the EU. General hatred of foreigners was a reason not Muslims alone.

I'd be very cautious about attempting to disentangle the two, to be honest -- anti-Muslim rhetoric feeds into the broader normalisation of xenophobia.

I'm not saying very many people would have voted Leave purely because they hate Muslims, but I think far fewer people would have 'legitimate concerns about immigration' (or however they dress it up) if they didn't exist in a culture which has to an extent internalised the opinion that all Muslims are potential terrorists.

Karl wrote:

Moggy wrote:I just don't think that was one of the main reasons why people voted out of the EU. General hatred of foreigners was a reason not Muslims alone.

I'd be very cautious about attempting to disentangle the two, to be honest -- anti-Muslim rhetoric feeds into the broader normalisation of xenophobia.

I'm not saying very many people would have voted Leave purely because they hate Muslims, but I think far fewer people would have 'legitimate concerns about immigration' (or however they dress it up) if they didn't exist in a culture which has to an extent internalised the opinion that all Muslims are potential terrorists.

I agree the "send 'em back where they came from" types hate Muslims. I just think the Leave vote was a more general anti-foreigner movement and was more "the Polish stole our jobs and benefits" than "the Muslamic ray guns sharia law!".

Moggy wrote:

Karl wrote:

Moggy wrote:I just don't think that was one of the main reasons why people voted out of the EU. General hatred of foreigners was a reason not Muslims alone.

I'd be very cautious about attempting to disentangle the two, to be honest -- anti-Muslim rhetoric feeds into the broader normalisation of xenophobia.

I'm not saying very many people would have voted Leave purely because they hate Muslims, but I think far fewer people would have 'legitimate concerns about immigration' (or however they dress it up) if they didn't exist in a culture which has to an extent internalised the opinion that all Muslims are potential terrorists.

I agree the "send 'em back where they came from" types hate Muslims. I just think the Leave vote was a more general anti-foreigner movement and was more "the Polish stole our jobs and benefits" than "the Muslamic ray guns sharia law!".

There was also that thing with Turkey joining the EU, if you recall, which was a fear Islamophobes helped popularise. I broadly agree though, if we're talking about racist impact on the referendum then people who dislike Eastern Europeans is definitely the more relevant, first-order effect than people who dislike Muslims -- I just think you have to phrase it cautiously because Islamophobia was in there & contributing too, if that makes sense?

Karl wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Karl wrote:

Moggy wrote:I just don't think that was one of the main reasons why people voted out of the EU. General hatred of foreigners was a reason not Muslims alone.

I'd be very cautious about attempting to disentangle the two, to be honest -- anti-Muslim rhetoric feeds into the broader normalisation of xenophobia.

I'm not saying very many people would have voted Leave purely because they hate Muslims, but I think far fewer people would have 'legitimate concerns about immigration' (or however they dress it up) if they didn't exist in a culture which has to an extent internalised the opinion that all Muslims are potential terrorists.

I agree the "send 'em back where they came from" types hate Muslims. I just think the Leave vote was a more general anti-foreigner movement and was more "the Polish stole our jobs and benefits" than "the Muslamic ray guns sharia law!".

There was also that thing with Turkey joining the EU, if you recall, which was a fear Islamophobes helped popularise. I broadly agree though, if we're talking about racist impact on the referendum then people who dislike Eastern Europeans is definitely the more relevant, first-order effect than people who dislike Muslims -- I just think you have to phrase it cautiously because Islamophobia was in there & contributing too, if that makes sense?

Absolutely, I agree with you but I'm just remembering the "floods of Romanians" and "swamped with Bulgarians" headlines.

True that.

There's also a decent % of people in this country who don't like the idea of being told what to do by French and German people. Irrelevant of any notion of democracy or European parliament or any of that, it's Johnny Foreigner over there telling us what shape our bananas should be. These people probably also think Germany are just plotting their next invasion of mainland Europe and the French will run away. They're strawberry floating idiots, one and all.

We didn't live through World War 2 though, so we can't relate to that generation's underlying distrust or hatred of Germany. That has never gone away for some. And papers like the Daily Mail and Express have a tendency to regurgitate that era amongst their readership.