Brexit

Denster wrote:But the reason why no one posts an actual argument in this thread is because of you guys.

Like piranhas when a drop of blood hits the water.

Or more likely there are no pro Brexit arguments that actually make sense and the Leavers know they will be questioned. Nobody likes their beliefs questioned, but when you’re living in a fantasy you really don’t want your balloon popped.

Everyone has the right of reply and opinion. It’s not “ganging up” on somebody if they have a minority opinion, people just want to have their say on issues that concern them.

Plus Leavers do post in this thread, if they were so scared of the “piranhas”, they would avoid it altogether. It’s very telling that they’ll post something inane and then run before they can be questioned about it.

Yes. It is. Because it will be picked apart minutely with varying degrees of ferocity.

Plus like has been said - convincing argument?
Is there actually one?

It's very speculative.


For me now - coming in this thread has raised my awareness. Not so much of the remain voters ire but that it's clear that real thought had not gone into forward planning or preparation for a Brexit vote and what it will actually entail and what systems should be in place to make this happen.
Someone used the example of the borders question is Ireland and the lack of prep for what will be a huge undertaking.


I suppose I'm saying - not only is there not a convincing argument but also there is no conviction and clarity for implementing it either.

No rationale for it and no plans yet to implement it.

That's the worrying aspect.

Denster wrote:

Moggy wrote:Curiosity is not a good argument. Sure we are all curious but that’s not a reason to do it.

I’m curious as to what the world today would be like if Germany had won WW2, but it’s not actually an experiment I would like to try out (you know if time travel was possible).

Yeah. Exactly. Fatherland and the man in the high tower are fascinating exercises on 'what if' fantasy and speculation.

Incidentally - if you had a time machine what would you do?

Go back and campaign harder or just kill Boris Johnson?


Makes me think. DML blames David Cameron - what if you went back and killed him or intervened in some way?

Think then of another fictional
Time traveling scenario 11/22/63. What if it made things worse?

The real sliding doors moment for me is Farage not dying in that plane crash. What if he had died IN ANOTHER DIMENSION.

Just to clarify - are you actually saying you wish he'd died?

Sorry derail the question, but it would be interesting to see what would have happened had Farage not gotten involved with the Brexit movement. Would it have ever reached the point where the public got a referendum without his input?

lex-man wrote:Sorry derail the question, but it would be interesting to see what would have happened had Farage not gotten involved with the Brexit movement. Would it have ever reached the point where the public got a referendum without his input?

I very much doubt it would.

All the screen time bloody UKIP got ensure people heard their message and the little idiot bit of their brain lapped it up over and over until they thought the same.

They should never have had the screen time they did it was massive disproportionate to their power / support etc. but for some reason they were always there.

Moggy wrote:

Denster wrote:But the reason why no one posts an actual argument in this thread is because of you guys.

Like piranhas when a drop of blood hits the water.

Or more likely there are no pro Brexit arguments that actually make sense and the Leavers know they will be questioned. Nobody likes their beliefs questioned, but when you’re living in a fantasy you really don’t want your balloon popped.

Everyone has the right of reply and opinion. It’s not “ganging up” on somebody if they have a minority opinion, people just want to have their say on issues that concern them.

Plus Leavers do post in this thread, if they were so scared of the “piranhas”, they would avoid it altogether. It’s very telling that they’ll post something inane and then run before they can be questioned about it.

Poor Leave snowflakes.

I do hate when Facts pick on Fiction.

Photek wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Denster wrote:But the reason why no one posts an actual argument in this thread is because of you guys.

Like piranhas when a drop of blood hits the water.

Or more likely there are no pro Brexit arguments that actually make sense and the Leavers know they will be questioned. Nobody likes their beliefs questioned, but when you’re living in a fantasy you really don’t want your balloon popped.

Everyone has the right of reply and opinion. It’s not “ganging up” on somebody if they have a minority opinion, people just want to have their say on issues that concern them.

Plus Leavers do post in this thread, if they were so scared of the “piranhas”, they would avoid it altogether. It’s very telling that they’ll post something inane and then run before they can be questioned about it.

Poor Leave snowflakes.

I do hate when Facts pick on Fiction.

Not as much as you hate irony meters.

Hope its true:

http://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/european-union-will-not-allow-ireland-to-suffer-from-brexit-key-eu-coordinator-36155098.html

Errkal wrote:

lex-man wrote:Sorry derail the question, but it would be interesting to see what would have happened had Farage not gotten involved with the Brexit movement. Would it have ever reached the point where the public got a referendum without his input?

I very much doubt it would.

All the screen time bloody UKIP got ensure people heard their message and the little idiot bit of their brain lapped it up over and over until they thought the same.

They should never have had the screen time they did it was massive disproportionate to their power / support etc. but for some reason they were always there.

UKIP would have still existed though. Farage didn't start it, the question is really how much did his personality shape UKIP's popularity?

The Leave campaign would have made him a martyr.
Don't let him die in vain


On a bus with his picture.

Denster wrote:The Leave campaign would have made him a martyr.
Don't let him die in vain


On a bus with his picture.

When he stepped down as leader in 2009 (he quit so often that you have to specify the year) UKIP were absolutely nothing. The leader they replaced him with was an uncharismatic waste of space.

Farage came back as leader in 2010, started them rising again and then had his plane crash. His influence and popularity went through the roof after that.

Without Farage in control, UKIP have always been a fringe group that were hard to take seriously. Remember when Kilroy was around? Nuttall?

I think it’s safe to assume they would not have had anywhere near the impact on the 2015 election if Farage had died in that plane crash.

But as much as I despise Farage and hate the idea of Brexit, I can’t bring myself to wish he had died. As far as I am aware he has never physically harmed anybody, I can’t wish him dead.

What I wish is that the Remain side had had somebody as charismatic to combat him. Unfortunately we had Alastair Darling, David Cameron, Theresa May and Tony Blair. Hopeless bunch of banana splits at the best of times, utterly out of their depths when going up against populist and charming liars like Farage and Boris.

Jaysus.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-britain-plummets-into-economic-growth-slow-lane-as-even-italy-overtakes-uk-in-latest-forecast-a3639146.html

The UK’s economy will limp ahead by one per cent next year, predicted the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, down from 1.8 per cent in 2016.

This would be the most sluggish growth of the G7 group of major economies which include the US, Japan, Germany, France, Italy and Canada.

Even Italy, in the grip of a banking crisis, blighted by high youth unemployment and dogged by a chaotic political system, is now forecast to grow more strongly than Britain.

It's alright Photek. Will of the people.

Moggy wrote:

Denster wrote:The Leave campaign would have made him a martyr.
Don't let him die in vain


On a bus with his picture.

When he stepped down as leader in 2009 (he quit so often that you have to specify the year) UKIP were absolutely nothing. The leader they replaced him with was an uncharismatic waste of space.

Farage came back as leader in 2010, started them rising again and then had his plane crash. His influence and popularity went through the roof after that.

Without Farage in control, UKIP have always been a fringe group that were hard to take seriously. Remember when Kilroy was around? Nuttall?

I think it’s safe to assume they would not have had anywhere near the impact on the 2015 election if Farage had died in that plane crash.

But as much as I despise Farage and hate the idea of Brexit, I can’t bring myself to wish he had died. As far as I am aware he has never physically harmed anybody, I can’t wish him dead.

What I wish is that the Remain side had had somebody as charismatic to combat him. Unfortunately we had Alastair Darling, David Cameron, Theresa May and Tony Blair. Hopeless bunch of banana splits at the best of times, utterly out of their depths when going up against populist and charming liars like Farage and Boris.

Not just that for me. It was the complacency that it was a sure thing and lack of response when Leave had gathered such momentum.

Denster wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Denster wrote:The Leave campaign would have made him a martyr.
Don't let him die in vain


On a bus with his picture.

When he stepped down as leader in 2009 (he quit so often that you have to specify the year) UKIP were absolutely nothing. The leader they replaced him with was an uncharismatic waste of space.

Farage came back as leader in 2010, started them rising again and then had his plane crash. His influence and popularity went through the roof after that.

Without Farage in control, UKIP have always been a fringe group that were hard to take seriously. Remember when Kilroy was around? Nuttall?

I think it’s safe to assume they would not have had anywhere near the impact on the 2015 election if Farage had died in that plane crash.

But as much as I despise Farage and hate the idea of Brexit, I can’t bring myself to wish he had died. As far as I am aware he has never physically harmed anybody, I can’t wish him dead.

What I wish is that the Remain side had had somebody as charismatic to combat him. Unfortunately we had Alastair Darling, David Cameron, Theresa May and Tony Blair. Hopeless bunch of banana splits at the best of times, utterly out of their depths when going up against populist and charming liars like Farage and Boris.

Not just that for me. It was the complacency that it was a sure thing and lack of response when Leave had gathered such momentum.

There wasn't really complacency though, certainly not to the level some people seem to think. It's just that every fact the Remain campaign raised was dismissed as "PROJECT FEAR!!!" and there was little to no recourse to stopping the Leave campaign spouting actual lies.

Is anyone else a bit worried that it might be possible to OD on Schadenfreude?

The UK never had freedom of movement so any attempt to use that as an excuse to vote leave is an opinion formed from ignorance of the facts.

I'm so triggered right now.

I see what Denster means. This topic does seem to be a giant circle jerk which would put off anyone else posting in here that didn't share the same opinions.

And this is a subject where nobody is going to change their opinions either way.