Brexit

Photek wrote:So, our gay PM is heading up to meet the homophobic & anti gay marriage DUP in Belfast to discuss the future of the border today.

He has said that he doesn't want an economic border. The BBC commenters are happy with this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40819687

Pay back the UK the money we gave to bail out your banks - then stop sticking your nose in our business. Brexit is the result of a democratic process. Get over it Leo.

so now the fools who want us to be ruled by the EU are moaning that we will break up the UK,
PMSL you cant make it up.
i mean all we want is a united UK not governed by outsiders.
so where are our differences, i guess you remoaners are really brexiteers but just dont know it yet

Brexit wasn't an economic question, we voted Leave against overpopulation.

We're not having a soft border with Ireland, it will just be a backdoor to mass immigration. If necessary, Northern Ireland should leave UK and join Southern, let Southern Ireland carry that financial & social millstone round their neck instead of us.

Indeed, Ireland needed a loan (as it was going bankrupt), the UK happily gave it a loan.

Ireland seems to now view that act of friendship as some sort of attack, no good deed goes unpunished, as they say.

Tough, Varadkar. You don't get a say. The British people got a say for once, and they said they want borders.

Ireland is a nothing country, why is this even news.

Why have we got to come up with a plan for everything? Maybe the EU have less ideas than us or they aren't allowed to speak without collective permission?

'The Irish prime minister, Leo Varadkar, has said he does not want an economic border between Britain and Ireland.'

Thanks Leo, I'm sure WE'LL bear that in mind when WE make OUR decision.

Ireland is playing a dangerous game as EU stooge

Nobody wants a border, but Ireland & the EU can't expect the UK to break itself up to suit Ireland & the EU.

If the EU insists on making Northern Ireland a lever in Brexit negotiations, Ireland may have to make a choice between the UK and the EU.

and the UK is far more important culturally and economically to Ireland than the EU.

Trying to stir up trouble is he

The Irish should shut up, or start building a wall, I never understood why they get the right to live and vote in Britain anyway, they just want our money like the rest of them.

The Irish are fretting because the UK is it's biggest export market.

They need to be a bit more respectful.

We are leaving the EU and have a land border with it.

Big deal!

If Varadkar doesn't want an economic border then he should either:

a) leave the EU or

b) insist that he negotiates the border issues on behalf of the EU - but he won't be allowed to. Because the EU would rather punish than reward and destroy than create at the alter of integration and control.

Given the aggressive rhetoric from the EU and it's members toward Britain of late, I reckon we need to go full Trump and build a wall.

The Irish are always keen to build a wall.

Just do a full hard Brexit. this will bring stability as then everyone will know what it means and end all the in out fighting. As this only brings a future of uncertainty and weakness from the UK. The remain camp are only weakening the UK in the process, making sterling weak, and increasing the burden on everyone.

202 Dan_Dover

The Irish are our brothers for pity sake, our nearest neighbours
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You mean like their Eastern European PM?

Or like thaat former boss of Haringay Council? How many Irish on our Public Sector gravy train? Some African Nations used to educate their people to commit credit card fraud & money launder to rip off the West. Irish educate theirs to become UK Public Sector servants.

I think it outrageous the Irish nationists are threatening to restart the murder and bombings in the north, and probably the UK mainland, if the UK doesn't give in to their demands for an open border. Ireland depends a lot on the uk for trade to Britain and the transit if goods to the eu. Perhaps they should remember that before they go shouting their mouths off about restart violence in the north

If a hard border is required then that is what we shall have, the western ports will just have to start looking at all who enter which would not be a bad thing.
Our approach to Irish access has been way too lax considering the size of the black market between our states.
The traveller problem also needs addressing due to the strain put on our councils for what is essentially an Irish problem.

Solution for Irish problem is Ireland should leave EU customs union and should join UK customs union

What a lovely bunch Leavers are.

I'm just surprised nobody mentioned potatoes.

Rex Kramer wrote:I'm just surprised nobody mentioned potatoes.

I expect somebody did, I was getting too depressed reading the hatred to go through them all.

Gove says that EU fishing boats will still be able to fish in British waters after Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -says-gove

I am at a loss for any benefits at all from Brexit, but wasn't fishing one of the major arguments from the Leave side?

It makes me cringe looking at some of the comments by leave Voters.

It really has brought out the little Englander in so many.

Certainly makes me feel rather unwelcome in the UK.

Those comments, Good Grief.

Racism and complete untruth's that seem consistent, where are they getting there views that the UK is better economically than the EU for Ireland?

These might be the worst comments that Moggy has posted in this thread.

And that is saying something.

I actually felt angry reading some of those.

Squinty wrote:I actually felt angry reading some of those.

My job here is done.

Photek wrote:where are they getting there views that the UK is better economically than the EU for Ireland?

They believe the UK is the greatest nation on Earth. They seem to think that the Empire can be renewed. They think that the UK is so amazing that the rest of the world will be falling over themselves to give the UK anything it wants.

At the same time they also have a massive victim complex and believe that the UK only suffers because other nations are picking on the UK and that they are just jealous of the UK.

Melters.

Interestingly, those comments show something Remainers have predicted all along. Any hardship or disasters in the future will not be the fault of Leavers, it will be the fault of the EU for “bullying us” and/or Remainers for “talking the country down”.

These people will never ever accept that they were wrong or that they were lied to.

As I said yesterday, it is easier to fool somebody than convince them that they have been fooled. And these people are the most foolish of all of the fools. It doesn't bode well for this country over the next 5-10 years when the angry and poor Leave voters start feeling the pinch and are looking to lash out.

I said to my friends when the results came out that it didn't matter that leave won as one benefit to the Civil Service getting strawberry floated by the Tories is that that it wouldn't be able to handle the fallout.

I'm still sitting here going 'nah, it's not going to happen' and even today Lord Adonis made the point in the Grauniad that the Civil Service is not up to the task. Worryingly though, the government doesn't seem to care...

Still, it won't happen.....right?

A poll finds that 58% of Leave voters would pay to be able to retain their EU citizenship rights.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 19001.html

andretmzt wrote:I said to my friends when the results came out that it didn't matter that leave won as one benefit to the Civil Service getting strawberry floated by the Tories is that that it wouldn't be able to handle the fallout.

I'm still sitting here going 'nah, it's not going to happen' and even today Lord Adonis made the point in the Grauniad that the Civil Service is not up to the task. Worryingly though, the government doesn't seem to care...

Still, it won't happen.....right?

I've brought this up before as well. I feel sorry any civil servant having to deal with this shitshow.

Moggy wrote:A poll finds that 58% of Leave voters would pay to be able to retain their EU citizenship rights.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 19001.html

I'm willing to bet it'll be all the EUs fault for not offering that option too

Moggy wrote:A poll finds that 58% of Leave voters would pay to be able to retain their EU citizenship rights.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 19001.html

strawberry float! I hate the general public so much!

Moggy wrote:A poll finds that 58% of Leave voters would pay to be able to retain their EU citizenship rights.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 19001.html

On average, respondents said they would expect to pay £405 per year, which included 32 per cent of people who would not be willing to pay anything.

So if everyone eligible to vote paid what they would be willing to pay the EU for EU citizenship (including those who don't want to pay anything), would we be sending the EU more money from the UK than we currently do?

46,501,241 eligible to vote in the referendum * £405 average payment per year = £18.83 billion per year to the EU

In 2015, the UK’s full membership fee was £17.8 billion. However, Britain doesn’t pay that full fee. Because of a deal negotiated by Margaret Thatcher in 1984, Britain gets a “rebate”, an annual reduction in contributions.

In 2015, that rebate reduced our contribution to £12.9 billion. That’s around £200 for every person in the UK.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/how-m ... t-pay-for/

In 2016 the UK government paid £13.1 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4.5 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at about £8.6 billion.

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-memb ... 5-million/

Moggy wrote:A poll finds that 58% of Leave voters would pay to be able to retain their EU citizenship rights.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 19001.html

You would need details on the sample demographics, I'd imagine if you took into account the working class leave voters the data would be significantly skewed the other way.

Garth wrote:

Moggy wrote:A poll finds that 58% of Leave voters would pay to be able to retain their EU citizenship rights.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 19001.html

On average, respondents said they would expect to pay £405 per year, which included 32 per cent of people who would not be willing to pay anything.

So if everyone eligible to vote paid what they would be willing to pay the EU for EU citizenship (including those who don't want to pay anything), would we be sending the EU more money from the UK than we currently do?

46,501,241 eligible to vote in the referendum * £405 average payment per year = £18.83 billion per year to the EU

In 2015, the UK’s full membership fee was £17.8 billion. However, Britain doesn’t pay that full fee. Because of a deal negotiated by Margaret Thatcher in 1984, Britain gets a “rebate”, an annual reduction in contributions.

In 2015, that rebate reduced our contribution to £12.9 billion. That’s around £200 for every person in the UK.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/how-m ... t-pay-for/

In 2016 the UK government paid £13.1 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4.5 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at about £8.6 billion.

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-memb ... 5-million/

I say we just send the NHS £350million a week instead.

captain red dog wrote:

Moggy wrote:A poll finds that 58% of Leave voters would pay to be able to retain their EU citizenship rights.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 19001.html

You would need details on the sample demographics, I'd imagine if you took into account the working class leave voters the data would be significantly skewed the other way.

Can we ask the working class leave voters the question while they are queuing up for 4 hours at a Spanish airport?

captain red dog wrote:

Moggy wrote:A poll finds that 58% of Leave voters would pay to be able to retain their EU citizenship rights.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 19001.html

You would need details on the sample demographics, I'd imagine if you took into account the working class leave voters the data would be significantly skewed the other way.

Oh strawberry float off.

Mod edit: Please refrain from telling other members to strawberry float off.