Brexit

If either side starts making threats before negotiations even properly start then everyone suffers. It's easy for assholes like Farage and IDS to talk big about Brexit but ultimately it won't affect them in any real way as they are firmly part of the 1%.

Moggy wrote:

Death's Head wrote:

Moggy wrote:It's 1 country v 27 countries. There is only one outright loser there.

The impact to all 27 countries will not be the same, they don't have an even share of what we import.

Of course not, but the idea that "we import more so they really need us!" is bollocks when you remember that what we import is spread over 27 countries. And that a lot of our imports are food because we can't even feed ourselves without other countries.

Not what I was saying at all. What I'm saying is that they will want to trade with us because we buy more than we sell. I'm not saying our value is more than their's but simply we are a customer and you want to keep your customers.

Death's Head wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Death's Head wrote:

Moggy wrote:It's 1 country v 27 countries. There is only one outright loser there.

The impact to all 27 countries will not be the same, they don't have an even share of what we import.

Of course not, but the idea that "we import more so they really need us!" is bollocks when you remember that what we import is spread over 27 countries. And that a lot of our imports are food because we can't even feed ourselves without other countries.

Not what I was saying at all. What I'm saying is that they will want to trade with us because we buy more than we sell. I'm not saying our value is more than their's but simply we are a customer and you want to keep your customers.

On customer of many. One small island customer of many.

Death's Head wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Death's Head wrote:

Moggy wrote:It's 1 country v 27 countries. There is only one outright loser there.

The impact to all 27 countries will not be the same, they don't have an even share of what we import.

Of course not, but the idea that "we import more so they really need us!" is bollocks when you remember that what we import is spread over 27 countries. And that a lot of our imports are food because we can't even feed ourselves without other countries.

Not what I was saying at all. What I'm saying is that they will want to trade with us because we buy more than we sell. I'm not saying our value is more than their's but simply we are a customer and you want to keep your customers.

Of course they want to trade with us. But they are the ones who can afford to play hardball in the negotiations because they (and we) know a trade war will hurt the UK far more than it will hurt the EU.

It makes me wonder with the EU suddenly coming out and saying all this stuff, are they trying to influence the general election, get people to become scared of voting for the tories and ukip? As no talk or negotiation is going to take place until after the GE it seems rather pointless to suddenly come down so hard when no conversations have even begun yet.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:It makes me wonder with the EU suddenly coming out and saying all this stuff, are they trying to influence the general election, get people to become scared of voting for the tories and ukip? As no talk or negotiation is going to take place until after the GE it seems rather pointless to suddenly come down so hard when no conversations have even begun yet.

No, all they did today was ratify draft guidelines that were proposed last month. Unless May told them she was going to call an election the two things are not linked.

Moggy wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:It makes me wonder with the EU suddenly coming out and saying all this stuff, are they trying to influence the general election, get people to become scared of voting for the tories and ukip? As no talk or negotiation is going to take place until after the GE it seems rather pointless to suddenly come down so hard when no conversations have even begun yet.

No, all they did today was ratify draft guidelines that were proposed last month. Unless May told them she was going to call an election the two things are not linked.

It's probably just how the media are reporting it, makes it look like they just all got together to issue various warnings and threats to the uk.

Lucien wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:

Death's Head wrote:

Errkal wrote:cunty chops

Which one is this? Could be many people.

Any leave voter really.

How does posting like that not embarrass you?

It's the transference of culpability of an individual who voted Tory at the last election to individuals who voted Leave.

Nibble wrote:

Lucien wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:

Death's Head wrote:

Errkal wrote:cunty chops

Which one is this? Could be many people.

Any leave voter really.

How does posting like that not embarrass you?

It's the transference of culpability of an individual who voted Tory at the last election to individuals who voted Leave.

Moggy wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2765041.stm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest ... e_Iraq_War

Totally fake news from years ago. My memory is infallible

Nibble wrote:

Lucien wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:

Death's Head wrote:

Errkal wrote:cunty chops

Which one is this? Could be many people.

Any leave voter really.

How does posting like that not embarrass you?

It's the transference of culpability of an individual who voted Tory at the last election to individuals who voted Leave.

He's got you buttered on hot toast and cut into little triangles there, Laga .

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:

Nibble wrote:

Lucien wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:

Death's Head wrote:

Errkal wrote:cunty chops

Which one is this? Could be many people.

Any leave voter really.

How does posting like that not embarrass you?

It's the transference of culpability of an individual who voted Tory at the last election to individuals who voted Leave.

He's got you buttered on hot toast and cut into little triangles there, Laga .

Not really, they're not the same thing.

Lagamorph wrote:

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:

Nibble wrote:

Lucien wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:

Death's Head wrote:

Errkal wrote:cunty chops

Which one is this? Could be many people.

Any leave voter really.

How does posting like that not embarrass you?

It's the transference of culpability of an individual who voted Tory at the last election to individuals who voted Leave.

He's got you buttered on hot toast and cut into little triangles there, Laga .

Not really, they're not the same thing.

Someone please bring me a nice hot coffee to go with my Laga on toast.

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:

Nibble wrote:

Lucien wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:

Death's Head wrote:

Errkal wrote:cunty chops

Which one is this? Could be many people.

Any leave voter really.

How does posting like that not embarrass you?

It's the transference of culpability of an individual who voted Tory at the last election to individuals who voted Leave.

He's got you buttered on hot toast and cut into little triangles there, Laga .

Not really, they're not the same thing.

Someone please bring me a nice hot coffee to go with my Laga on toast.

twitter.com/BeardedGenius/status/858665681704943616

Everyone needs to stop what they're doing and read this twitter thread; the EU Commission has leaked details of their dinner with May. It's... terrifying.

twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/858810953353367552

Or this summary from Forbes

The UK Government Is Completely Deluded About Brexit

https://www.forbes.com/sites/francescop ... ut-brexit/

It's way, way worse than we thought.

Tafdolphin wrote:Everyone needs to stop what they're doing and read this twitter thread; the EU Commission has leaked details of their dinner with May. It's... terrifying.

twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/858810953353367552

Or this summary from Forbes

The UK Government Is Completely Deluded About Brexit

https://www.forbes.com/sites/francescop ... ut-brexit/

It's way, way worse than we thought.

The UK government are an absolute bunch of clowns. She can repeat "strong and stable" all she likes but in reality it's "clueless and laughable".

Oh for strawberry float sakes.

These banana splits are shitting on people's life s all because they have a hard-on for thinking we will suddenly be a strawberry floating British empire again when the world is hugely different.

It is really strawberry floating depressing have this gooseberry fool happen and strawberry float all that you can do about it, despite the reason it is happen is due to lies and bullshit.

Juncker's team now think it more likely than not that Brexit talks will collapse & hope Brits wake up to harsh realities in time.

Talks will collapse but it doesn't matter how quickly brits wake up to the realities as it will be too late. May is PM and still will be after June 8th. She will decide what Britain does. Anyone campaigning against it will be dismissed as going against the will of the people. Even if there was 5 million people marching through London they would still be dismissed as 17 million voted out. Unless 18 million people turn up on Mays door stop demanding something she will always think that she has the public mandate.

Errkal wrote:Oh for strawberry float sakes.

These banana splits are shitting on people's life s all because they have a hard-on for thinking we will suddenly be a strawberry floating British empire again when the world is hugely different.

It is really strawberry floating depressing have this gooseberry fool happen and strawberry float all that you can do about it, despite the reason it is happen is due to lies and bullshit.

This is the price you pay for democracy. Other people have endured far worse in its name so try not to get too hung up.

Sure, Brexit will leave us poorer but we will still be comparatively well off compared with most countries and being a democracy means our basic freedoms are well protected. The fact that humans are flawed and occasionally make bad decisions, especially when acting out of ignorance, is unfortunate but still far better than any alternative.

I like to think that this whole unfortunate business will serve as an awakening for young people now. Sometimes a good reminder of what can go wrong when voters do not take their decisions seriously can do wonders for a democracy. Maybe this generation will remember the mistakes the previous one and do better. Even a bad choice can have some value if you learn from it.