Brexit

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:There's definitely a centrist dad cultism. Everything is someone else's fault

“Don’t like Corbyn? YOU MUST BE A CENTRIST DAD!!!!!!!”

Vote Labour? YOU MUST BE A CORBINITE CULTIST!!!!!!

You’re doing a great job of showing it’s not cult like.

Keep on banging that Centrist Dad drum

Keep on enjoying the belief that Corbyn is great and it’d all work out if it wasn’t for those pesky closet Tories and centrist dads.

Heaven forbid that there might be problems with Corbyn himself, oh no it’s everyone else that is wrong.

Corbyn has many issues, another leader may do better/may not, but our lord and saviour Ed Miliband did much worse. I know you have to be right Moggy, but people have different political opinions to you. Hence Brexit got voted for, we have a Conservative government, and nobody cares about Vince Cable

I’ve never said Ed Miliband was our saviour.

I’ve never said I care about Vince Cable.

I don’t have to be right, but I almost always give reasons and evidence to support my beliefs and views. Whereas you haven’t once in this discussion made any positive Corbyn comments, preferring instead to just label people unconvinced by Corbyn as either “closet Tories” or “centrist dads”.

It might just be that you’ll have to accept that people can have different political views to you and not be closet Tories and centrist dads.....

If Milliband had been in charge at the last election I suspect Labour would have had a realistic chance of winning.
On the other hand the Tories probably wouldn't have called an election at all if that were the case.

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:There's definitely a centrist dad cultism. Everything is someone else's fault

“Don’t like Corbyn? YOU MUST BE A CENTRIST DAD!!!!!!!”

Vote Labour? YOU MUST BE A CORBINITE CULTIST!!!!!!

You’re doing a great job of showing it’s not cult like.

Keep on banging that Centrist Dad drum

Keep on enjoying the belief that Corbyn is great and it’d all work out if it wasn’t for those pesky closet Tories and centrist dads.

Heaven forbid that there might be problems with Corbyn himself, oh no it’s everyone else that is wrong.

Corbyn has many issues, another leader may do better/may not, but our lord and saviour Ed Miliband did much worse. I know you have to be right Moggy, but people have different political opinions to you. Hence Brexit got voted for, we have a Conservative government, and nobody cares about Vince Cable

I’ve never said Ed Miliband was our saviour.

I’ve never said I care about Vince Cable.

I don’t have to be right, but I almost always give reasons and evidence to support my beliefs and views. Whereas you haven’t once in this discussion made any positive Corbyn comments, preferring instead to just label people unconvinced by Corbyn as either “closet Tories” or “centrist dads”.

It might just be that you’ll have to accept that people can have different political views to you and not be closet Tories and centrist dads.....

I'm not just talking about you Moggy re. Ed Miliband. You never 'almost always' give reasons and evidence so let's drop that bollocks. Corbyn has given the Labour party policies that I strongly agree with whereas you will just label anyone that likes his policies a Corbynite, whereas you might just have to accept that people have different views to you, but then that would cause your posting to plummet and you might have to do some work.............

You only have to look at the polls of "Who would you prefer as Prime Minister" to see that Corbyn is the problem.

Theresa May consistently comes out ahead of Corbyn by a considerable margin despite how useless she is and her inability to control her own party. If you can't convince people that you would make a better Prime Minister than Theresa May then you're not going to convince floating voters to vote for you. Let's face it, at a General Election a huge amount of people aren't voting for the party they like best, they're voting for the leader they like best.

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:There's definitely a centrist dad cultism. Everything is someone else's fault

“Don’t like Corbyn? YOU MUST BE A CENTRIST DAD!!!!!!!”

Vote Labour? YOU MUST BE A CORBINITE CULTIST!!!!!!

You’re doing a great job of showing it’s not cult like.

Keep on banging that Centrist Dad drum

Keep on enjoying the belief that Corbyn is great and it’d all work out if it wasn’t for those pesky closet Tories and centrist dads.

Heaven forbid that there might be problems with Corbyn himself, oh no it’s everyone else that is wrong.

Corbyn has many issues, another leader may do better/may not, but our lord and saviour Ed Miliband did much worse. I know you have to be right Moggy, but people have different political opinions to you. Hence Brexit got voted for, we have a Conservative government, and nobody cares about Vince Cable

I’ve never said Ed Miliband was our saviour.

I’ve never said I care about Vince Cable.

I don’t have to be right, but I almost always give reasons and evidence to support my beliefs and views. Whereas you haven’t once in this discussion made any positive Corbyn comments, preferring instead to just label people unconvinced by Corbyn as either “closet Tories” or “centrist dads”.

It might just be that you’ll have to accept that people can have different political views to you and not be closet Tories and centrist dads.....

I'm not just talking about you Moggy re. Ed Miliband. You never 'almost always' give reasons and evidence so let's drop that bollocks. Corbyn has given the Labour party policies that I strongly agree with whereas you will just label anyone that likes his policies a Corbynite, whereas you might just have to accept that people have different views to you, but then that would cause your posting to plummet and you might have to do some work.............

Classic comeback “lol do some work!!!”.

I never give reasons and evidence? Ok dude.

I wasn’t the one who started labelling people.

Remember how you replied with “these people are Tories” when Tineash said people might talk themselves into a Tory government?

Remember how you started calling me a centrist dad because I said “People have compared Corbyn supporters to a cult before. And it’s not that far fetched”.

I am happy to accept people have different views, that doesn’t mean I will not post my own views. Even if that person makes #topbants jokes about post counts.

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:There's definitely a centrist dad cultism. Everything is someone else's fault

“Don’t like Corbyn? YOU MUST BE A CENTRIST DAD!!!!!!!”

Vote Labour? YOU MUST BE A CORBINITE CULTIST!!!!!!

You’re doing a great job of showing it’s not cult like.

Keep on banging that Centrist Dad drum

Keep on enjoying the belief that Corbyn is great and it’d all work out if it wasn’t for those pesky closet Tories and centrist dads.

Heaven forbid that there might be problems with Corbyn himself, oh no it’s everyone else that is wrong.

Corbyn has many issues, another leader may do better/may not, but our lord and saviour Ed Miliband did much worse. I know you have to be right Moggy, but people have different political opinions to you. Hence Brexit got voted for, we have a Conservative government, and nobody cares about Vince Cable

I’ve never said Ed Miliband was our saviour.

I’ve never said I care about Vince Cable.

I don’t have to be right, but I almost always give reasons and evidence to support my beliefs and views. Whereas you haven’t once in this discussion made any positive Corbyn comments, preferring instead to just label people unconvinced by Corbyn as either “closet Tories” or “centrist dads”.

It might just be that you’ll have to accept that people can have different political views to you and not be closet Tories and centrist dads.....

I'm not just talking about you Moggy re. Ed Miliband. You never 'almost always' give reasons and evidence so let's drop that bollocks. Corbyn has given the Labour party policies that I strongly agree with whereas you will just label anyone that likes his policies a Corbynite, whereas you might just have to accept that people have different views to you, but then that would cause your posting to plummet and you might have to do some work.............

Classic comeback “lol do some work!!!”.

I never give reasons and evidence? Ok dude.

I wasn’t the one who started labelling people.

Remember how you replied with “these people are Tories” when Tineash said people might talk themselves into a Tory government?

Remember how you started calling me a centrist dad because I said “People have compared Corbyn supporters to a cult before. And it’s not that far fetched”.

I am happy to accept people have different views, that doesn’t mean I will not post my own views. Even if that person makes #topbants jokes about post counts.

Classic comeback comeback champ
I know you think everything is about you Moggy, but

Remember how you replied with “these people are Tories” when Tineash said people might talk themselves into a Tory government?

Yes? And you agreed?

Remember how you started calling me a centrist dad because I said “People have compared Corbyn supporters to a cult before. And it’s not that far fetched”.

No, I said there's a centrist dad cultism. To which you then associated and labelled yourself

Don’t like Corbyn? YOU MUST BE A CENTRIST DAD!!!!!!!

Evidence

The Brexit vote has been and gone, I think for a lot of people the Brexit debate really doesn't matter any more compared to other things. As clearly evident by Corbyn's stance on Brexit and the stereotypical momentum voter.

Some people here seem to have not accepted that we are going to be leaving the EU in some form.

I didn’t agree with you about closet Tories.

It was obvious who you were calling a centrist dad and you’ve continued to do it since.

And you’ve still not posted anything positive about Corbyn other than a weak “he’s given then Labour party policies I agree with”.

Your main arguments against me here appear to be “Moggy won’t accept bring wrong”, “Moggy posts a lot”, “Moggy thinks it’s all about him”.

Fascinating stuff, but it’s not going to help you understand why Corbyn is almost certain to lose the next election.

BID0 wrote:The Brexit vote has been and gone, I think for a lot of people the Brexit debate really doesn't matter any more compared to other things. As clearly evident by Corbyn's stance on Brexit and the stereotypical momentum voter.

Some people here seem to have not accepted that we are going to be leaving the EU in some form.

The funny thing is we basically cannot Leave without crashing out.

The Tories clearly recognise that would he insanity (bar a couple of noisy outsiders who despite the press hype are no closer to power than you or I) so that only leaves three options.

1) Remain
2) Remain in all but name, but with no say for full market access.
3) Kick the can down the road to avoid doing 1 or 2.

No other options exist unless something enormous happens in world politics. Ireland has essentially killed Hard Brexit. The problem is you have to constantly read between the lines because every MP is too scared to say the truth.

BID0 wrote:The Brexit vote has been and gone, I think for a lot of people the Brexit debate really doesn't matter any more compared to other things. As clearly evident by Corbyn's stance on Brexit and the stereotypical momentum voter.

Some people here seem to have not accepted that we are going to be leaving the EU in some form.

There’s a difference between accepting it and thinking it’s a good idea.

I fully expect some sort of Brexit to happen. That doesn’t mean I’ll ever accept it is a good idea.

Brexit also isn’t inevitable (even though I expect it to to happen). It could be cancelled and it’s therefore worth while for Remainers to continue to put pressure on the government and opposition.

It was obvious who you were calling a Corbynite cultist and you've continued to do it since.
Why have I got to post in support of Corbyn or positive things about him? I'm against people blaming the actions of the Tory government on the Labour party
Your main arguement is nothing, you're not making an arguement, which will help you understand why Lib Dem's are irrelevant

DML wrote:

BID0 wrote:The Brexit vote has been and gone, I think for a lot of people the Brexit debate really doesn't matter any more compared to other things. As clearly evident by Corbyn's stance on Brexit and the stereotypical momentum voter.

Some people here seem to have not accepted that we are going to be leaving the EU in some form.

The funny thing is we basically cannot Leave without crashing out.

The Tories clearly recognise that would he insanity (bar a couple of noisy outsiders who despite the press hype are no closer to power than you or I) so that only leaves three options.

1) Remain
2) Remain in all but name, but with no say for full market access.
3) Kick the can down the road to avoid doing 1 or 2.

No other options exist unless something enormous happens in world politics. Ireland has essentially killed Hard Brexit. The problem is you have to constantly read between the lines because every MP is too scared to say the truth.

We know Labour have plans for a transition which is option 2 you listed. That would likely last for ages, hopefully until people mostly forget about the subject if a referendum does happen I would hope Labour would focus on this more, they had a good manifesto last time, with some tweaks to beef it up along with an outline for Brexit that should push them over for what they need to gain control.

The problem will be that we find ourselves in a reverse situation where Corbyn finds himself in the same place that May does now at least with a transitional arrangement that keeps the dream alive of either remaining (whether that's as we are now or in all but name).

Moggy wrote:I didn’t agree with you about closet Tories.

It was obvious who you were calling a centrist dad and you’ve continued to do it since.

And you’ve still not posted anything positive about Corbyn other than a weak “he’s given then Labour party policies I agree with”.

Your main arguments against me here appear to be “Moggy won’t accept bring wrong”, “Moggy posts a lot”, “Moggy thinks it’s all about him”.

Fascinating stuff, but it’s not going to help you understand why Corbyn is almost certain to lose the next election.

Almost certain?

I think that's a bit strong. Labour and Conservatives are neck and neck at the bookies. It's very unlikely a majority will be won by anyone which could see any number of options happen. The Corbyn vote would have absolutely collapsed at the local elections if what you thought was fully true, and they didn't. They gained seats. Its true we maybe at Peak Corbyn, but to completely write them off is silly.

What is a centrist dad?

Hyperion wrote:It was obvious who you were calling a Corbynite cultist and you've continued to do it since.
Why have I got to post in support of Corbyn or positive things about him? I'm against people blaming the actions of the Tory government on the Labour party
Your main arguement is nothing, you're not making an arguement, which will help you understand why Lib Dem's are irrelevant

I didn’t call anybody a Corbyn cultist. I said “People have compared Corbyn supporters to a cult before. And it’s not that far fetched.”

All your posts are not exactly making me think Corbyn supporters are not cult like.

You mentioned Cable before and now think I need to understand that the Lib Dem’s are an irrelevance? I haven’t voted Lib Dem since 2010, I’ve not “supported” them on here at all and I don’t think I’ve ever really posted about Cable.

DML wrote:

Moggy wrote:I didn’t agree with you about closet Tories.

It was obvious who you were calling a centrist dad and you’ve continued to do it since.

And you’ve still not posted anything positive about Corbyn other than a weak “he’s given then Labour party policies I agree with”.

Your main arguments against me here appear to be “Moggy won’t accept bring wrong”, “Moggy posts a lot”, “Moggy thinks it’s all about him”.

Fascinating stuff, but it’s not going to help you understand why Corbyn is almost certain to lose the next election.

Almost certain?

I think that's a bit strong. Labour and Conservatives are neck and neck at the bookies. It's very unlikely a majority will be won by anyone which could see any number of options happen. The Corbyn vote would have absolutely collapsed at the local elections if what you thought was fully true, and they didn't. They gained seats. Its true we maybe at Peak Corbyn, but to completely write them off is silly.

I wrote “almost certain” to give myself some wriggle room if Corbyn did manage to pull off an unexpected victory.

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:It was obvious who you were calling a Corbynite cultist and you've continued to do it since.
Why have I got to post in support of Corbyn or positive things about him? I'm against people blaming the actions of the Tory government on the Labour party
Your main arguement is nothing, you're not making an arguement, which will help you understand why Lib Dem's are irrelevant

I didn’t call anybody a Corbyn cultist. I said “People have compared Corbyn supporters to a cult before. And it’s not that far fetched.”

All your posts are not exactly making me think Corbyn supporters are not cult like.

You mentioned Cable before and now think I need to understand that the Lib Dem’s are an irrelevance? I haven’t voted Lib Dem since 2010, I’ve not “supported” them on here at all and I don’t think I’ve ever really posted about Cable.

All your posts don't make me think you're not a Lib Dem and that detractors of Corbyn and the current Labour party are not Centrists and Dads

Dual wrote:What is a centrist dad?

It's a slang/derogatory term that came from the left (Corbynites I think). It's where people (mostly men ) have centrist and neoliberal beliefs.

It's often used to dismiss anyone criticizing Corbyn/Momentum as out of touch and cynical - particularly when they say "talk down to" (or "condescend") to the naive idealistic young'uns about their unrealistic beliefs/expectations.

View yourself as pragmatic and grounded in politics? You're probably an a centrist dad!

People that use it probably want to see themselves as the white che guevara

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:It was obvious who you were calling a Corbynite cultist and you've continued to do it since.
Why have I got to post in support of Corbyn or positive things about him? I'm against people blaming the actions of the Tory government on the Labour party
Your main arguement is nothing, you're not making an arguement, which will help you understand why Lib Dem's are irrelevant

I didn’t call anybody a Corbyn cultist. I said “People have compared Corbyn supporters to a cult before. And it’s not that far fetched.”

All your posts are not exactly making me think Corbyn supporters are not cult like.

You mentioned Cable before and now think I need to understand that the Lib Dem’s are an irrelevance? I haven’t voted Lib Dem since 2010, I’ve not “supported” them on here at all and I don’t think I’ve ever really posted about Cable.

All your posts don't make me think you're not a Lib Dem and that detractors of Corbyn and the current Labour party are not Centrists and Dads

And you say I can’t deal with a difference of opinion?

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:It was obvious who you were calling a Corbynite cultist and you've continued to do it since.
Why have I got to post in support of Corbyn or positive things about him? I'm against people blaming the actions of the Tory government on the Labour party
Your main arguement is nothing, you're not making an arguement, which will help you understand why Lib Dem's are irrelevant

I didn’t call anybody a Corbyn cultist. I said “People have compared Corbyn supporters to a cult before. And it’s not that far fetched.”

All your posts are not exactly making me think Corbyn supporters are not cult like.

You mentioned Cable before and now think I need to understand that the Lib Dem’s are an irrelevance? I haven’t voted Lib Dem since 2010, I’ve not “supported” them on here at all and I don’t think I’ve ever really posted about Cable.

All your posts don't make me think you're not a Lib Dem and that detractors of Corbyn and the current Labour party are not Centrists and Dads

And you say I can’t deal with a difference of opinion?

Yep