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Re: Brexit
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:42 pm
by Lex-Man
I kind of think May was telling the truth when she answered that question. She hasn't really considered her position. The problem is it's terrible piece of politics. She's also a terrible leader she hasn't actually planned anything well.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:06 pm
by Lex-Man
Re: Brexit
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:16 pm
by Denster
I was insulted by the assumption that I just accept anything May does. This is demonstrably wrong. This is a discussion thread and should be above petty insults. The fact that it was me saying it - I thought would hit home how crass it was.
I am crude and do say shocking things but I try and keep that to other threads.
It was the first part I was annoyed by.
Thanks for the defence Jawa but you’re wasting your breath in here.
As has been said - it’s not a discussion thread.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:17 pm
by Psychic
jawafour wrote:But, hey, I’m a glutton for punishment so here are two arguments, albeit ones that I expect have been talked over a thousand times already and that we probably won’t agree on:
1) I prefer the idea of the UK being in a position to devise and administer laws independent of outside influence.
2) I like the notion of the UK being able to approach countries worldwide and agree trading processes independent of outside influence.
While you're using these two things as examples of possible positives of Brexit, I think you've inadvertently made the case for why so many people are against it. Everything spun as a positive of leaving the EU seems to either be unimportant (The idea of changing the colour of passports for example) or as with the stuff you mentioned, an undefined concept or idea. When you're dealing with hypotheticals, it's easy to be optimistic. There cannot be any argument that Brexit is going to be a success because there is still no plan for what happens next.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:25 pm
by That
The UK was already a sovereign country with ultimate say over its own laws. If there were some regulation that the EU came up with that we really hated, we could already refuse to implement it (at the cost of our EU membership being suspended). Wouldn't it have been better to do that then instead of pre-emptively?
The EU already approaches countries all over the world for trade deals (aren't Canada, Japan, and the USA all getting trade deals with the EU pretty soon?). It will take us decades to work out deals like that and the terms will be worse because we will have less leverage in the negotiations. Everyone knows we need these deals more than the rest of the world does.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:07 am
by Pancake
If the whole point of your post is to say that 'this is not a discussion thread' then you are contributing to the fact that this is not a discussion thread.
If the whole point of your post is to point out that people who post to say that 'this is not a discussion thread' are contributing to the fact that this is not a discussion thread then you are contributing to the fact that this is not a discussion thread.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:49 am
by Moggy
Denster wrote:I was insulted by the assumption that I just accept anything May does. This is demonstrably wrong. This is a discussion thread and should be above petty insults. The fact that it was me saying it - I thought would hit home how crass it was.
You are really setting yourself up to have this thrown back in your face later on. Are you suggesting that in a “discussion” thread that you have never used crass language, insulted anybody or insinuated anything about anybody that isn’t 100% true? Are you sure that you will never do any of those things again?
If it really offended you that much, then I apologise for making any suggestion that you would applaud Theresa May for shitting in your mouth. I realise that you would not actually applaud her for doing that and that you don’t support every single act that she may or may not carry out either in the past, present or future.
However, if this was actually just a way to avoid answering difficult questions by jumping on and making a fuss about an obviously silly comment, then I take back that apology and tut loudly at you because you should be better than that.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:44 am
by Hexx
jawafour wrote:
1) I prefer the idea of the UK being in a position to devise and administer laws independent of outside influence.
2) I like the notion of the UK being able to approach countries worldwide and agree trading processes independent of outside influence..
1) [Edit Ignoring the vast overplayed nature of our "loss of sovereignty" that KP explained above!] Then there's a dozen and one other international bodies you'll have to leave, and also you won't ever be able to trade with anyone (unless you think that other countries in the world will magically bend to our standards, regulation and arbitration. Which admittedly most Leave voters seem stupid enough to believe)
2) "I want the UK to leave the biggest free trade area in the world with access to dozens of international trade deals with the largest economies in the world. We can then start with 0 trade deals and a desperately weak negation hand." Do I ever
need to say anything?
Re: Brexit
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:55 am
by Hexx
twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/918355092599951361
(Amusingly - Jeramiah was right)
Key Narrative Points:
> Brexit Negotiations are a battle. We will "beat" Junker, we will not "surrender". Gotta play to the broken little egos of Brexiteers. They're gonna be winners.
> Brexit is being sabotaged/undermined by Remainers. Not the UK's disasterous approach to "negioation" by Brexiteers Davis and Johnson (and stooge May). If not Winners, it'll be because nasty people stole it from you. Not your idiotic choices
Re: Brexit
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:01 am
by Moggy
“white flag”, “treachery”, “Jeremiah next door”.
I’m guessing that the Daily Mail are not a fan of the Chancellor?
By that I mean Chancellor of the Exchequer, we all know the Daily Mail were big fans of a certain German Chancellor in the 30s....