Brexit

Tafdolphin wrote:

Grumpy David wrote: We were told by both sides that Brexit meant leaving the single market. So it's no surprise that is what we get.

You are talking demonstrable nonsense. Boris, who people have already forgotten was the face of the Leave campaign, was constantly referring to special deals where we would stay in the Single Market without free movement caveats. Other prominent Leavers are on record, as in TV, radio and interviews, saying that leaving the single market would be madness. There's also a May speech from June that's gone viral, stating just how important the single market is.

I dunno, maybe you're just not intelligent enough to remember.

EDIT: Here, have a list:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/o ... 25ba310fce

Yeah but all that was in the past before Brussels started bullying us. Now we look forward to Britain's glorious new place in the world, after all Trump will give us a deal within 90 days!

Tafdolphin wrote:

Grumpy David wrote: We were told by both sides that Brexit meant leaving the single market. So it's no surprise that is what we get.

You are talking demonstrable nonsense. Boris, who people have already forgotten was the face of the Leave campaign, was constantly referring to special deals where we would stay in the Single Market without free movement caveats. Other prominent Leavers are on record, as in TV, radio and interviews, saying that leaving the single market would be madness. There's also a May speech from June that's gone viral, stating just how important the single market is.

I dunno, maybe you're just not intelligent enough to remember.

EDIT: Here, have a list:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/o ... 25ba310fce

It's quite a weird world right now, on one hand you have all these quotes and strawberry floating great bus that people are saying they never said. You have all the Trump clips that again apparently never happened. I know politicians think voters are stupid but I feel like we are not only leaving the EU, but we have left the real world and now live in some alternate reality where none of what was said and or promised actually happened.

As Grumpy David is doing so well with his savings at the moment, maybe he could loan me the money to move my family out of the UK or pay for my wife to become a Brit....she doesn't want to do that though.

suzzopher wrote:As Grumpy David is doing so well with his savings at the moment, maybe he could loan me the money to move my family out of the UK or pay for my wife to become a Brit....she doesn't want to do that though.

Imagine not wanting to become a Brit when we are on the verge of a glorious new future as a strong, powerful, successful, independent nation with a red, white and blue future. Your wife will regret not joining in with the British revolution as we show the world just how great we are.

Moggy wrote:

suzzopher wrote:As Grumpy David is doing so well with his savings at the moment, maybe he could loan me the money to move my family out of the UK or pay for my wife to become a Brit....she doesn't want to do that though.

Imagine not wanting to become a Brit when we are on the verge of a glorious new future as a strong, powerful, successful, independent nation with a red, white and blue future. Your wife will regret not joining in with the British revolution as we show the world just how great we are.

When you put it like that, maybe I should stop my Irish passport application. Rule Britannia!!

suzzopher wrote:

Moggy wrote:

suzzopher wrote:As Grumpy David is doing so well with his savings at the moment, maybe he could loan me the money to move my family out of the UK or pay for my wife to become a Brit....she doesn't want to do that though.

Imagine not wanting to become a Brit when we are on the verge of a glorious new future as a strong, powerful, successful, independent nation with a red, white and blue future. Your wife will regret not joining in with the British revolution as we show the world just how great we are.

When you put it like that, maybe I should stop my Irish passport application. Rule Britannia!!

I am applying for Irish citizenship as well but if/when it arrives I am just going to throw it in the bin. Theresa May's speech has left me feeling nothing but hope and glory and I can just see the wonderful future that is ahead of us. May and Trump, together ruling the world as the ultimate superpower!

My girlfriend is French. Assuming Le Pen doesn't get in I'm seriously considering abandoning ship. I don't want to live in a country where a tiny majority of selfish, short sighted people dominate policy. This whole affair has made me so very ashamed of my own country.

Seen some of the headlines in the morning papers. 'May sets out brexit plan, will crush europe" Im sorry are we some sort of massive euro superpower who can hold the entire EU to ransom?

Tafdolphin wrote:My girlfriend is French. Assuming Le Pen doesn't get in I'm seriously considering abandoning ship. I don't want to live in a country where a tiny majority of selfish, short sighted people dominate policy. This whole affair has made me so very ashamed of my own country.

Imagine jumping ship only to end up with Le Pen as your leader.

I think you sum that up well, my anger is slowly disappearing and is turning into more of a feeling of despair and shame. I can’t see anything other than hard Brexit happening now and I don’t think there is anything that can be done to stop it.

Glowy69 wrote:Seen some of the headlines in the morning papers. 'May sets out brexit plan, will crush europe" Im sorry are we some sort of massive euro superpower who can hold the entire EU to ransom?

Apparently so. The EU is the worlds largest trading bloc but little Britain (and it does feels like a sketch from that show) will show ‘em all!

Glowy69 wrote:Seen some of the headlines in the morning papers. 'May sets out brexit plan, will crush europe" Im sorry are we some sort of massive euro superpower who can hold the entire EU to ransom?

Didn't you know, it's 1953 again.

Glowy69 wrote:Seen some of the headlines in the morning papers. 'May sets out brexit plan, will crush europe" Im sorry are we some sort of massive euro superpower who can hold the entire EU to ransom?

We have cakes Glowy....cakes!!

Glowy69 wrote:Seen some of the headlines in the morning papers. 'May sets out brexit plan, will crush europe" Im sorry are we some sort of massive euro superpower who can hold the entire EU to ransom?

Well, apparently we were in The Past and it seems the majority of people who actually want what's happening are determined to relive The Past regardless of whether or not any power we may have had disappeared way back in...The Past.

It's really rather sad.

Europe now have no option but to strawberry float us up but good as a lesson to other countries. I don't understand why the government is acting as if this isn't inevitable.

The responses on twitter as well.

THEY NEED US MORE THAN WE NEED THEM
MAKE THEM BEND TO OUR WILL
WHY DO WE NEED TO TRADE WITH EUROPE ANYWAY, THERES A WHOLE WORLD OUT THERE, LETS TRADE WITH OTHER COUNTRIES.

RIP in peace Britain.

Glowy69 wrote:The responses on twitter as well.

THEY NEED US MORE THAN WE NEED THEM
MAKE THEM BEND TO OUR WILL
WHY DO WE NEED TO TRADE WITH EUROPE ANYWAY, THERES A WHOLE WORLD OUT THERE, LETS TRADE WITH OTHER COUNTRIES.

RIP in peace Britain.

Yeah why do we need those rich developed nations that let us trade freely with them. We would be far better of trading with Bhutan than Belgium, Gabon instead of Germany and Fiji instead of France!

I can't find the other clips on my phone but you also have BJ, Gove, Leadsom on Andrew Marr/Newsnight saying we'd leave single market.

Grumpy David wrote:I can't find the other clips on my phone but you also have BJ, Gove, Leadsom on Andrew Marr/Newsnight saying we'd leave single market.

It's almost like they are a lying bunch of banana splits that had no idea what they were talking about and absolutely no plan for what to do if they won.

Grumpy David wrote:I can't find the other clips on my phone but you also have BJ, Gove, Leadsom on Andrew Marr/Newsnight saying we'd leave single market.

So? Your argument was that both sides told us we'd be leaving. They didn't. A lot, some might say the majority, said we would not. Also, quoting Cameron as he uses a potential exit from the Single Market as a scare tactic to vote Remain is not helping your general argument...

From over here across the water, it certainly seems like a significant portion of the English population is deluded with visions of grandeur. In the long term post-brexit, I expect the UK's importance on the world stage will continue to decline, with Scotland potentially leaving the UK in our lifetime, and immigration controls/passport checks set up between Northern Ireland and Great Britain to avoid the alternative (a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, which would be a disaster).

Moggy wrote:

Tafdolphin wrote:My girlfriend is French. Assuming Le Pen doesn't get in I'm seriously considering abandoning ship. I don't want to live in a country where a tiny majority of selfish, short sighted people dominate policy. This whole affair has made me so very ashamed of my own country.

Imagine jumping ship only to end up with Le Pen as your leader.

I think you sum that up well, my anger is slowly disappearing and is turning into more of a feeling of despair and shame. I can’t see anything other than hard Brexit happening now and I don’t think there is anything that can be done to stop it.

It's depressing but I wouldn't expect many other countries to be much better. There is no promised land.

Even if Le Pen doesn't get in there will be a significant amount of the French population that vote for her and there's a lot of racial disharmony in many areas over there. Most European countries now have large, or growing, pretty hard-right tendencies.

Just Britain had the economic clout and unwavering (probably misplaced) self-confidence of its populace to really throw a hand grenade into the mix.

Garth wrote:From over here across the water, it certainly seems like a significant portion of the English population is deluded with visions of grandeur.

It’s part of the culture over here, the empire might be long gone but the thought of us being the greatest nation on Earth still seem to remain (oddly usually by the same people that think everything’s terrible). I guess it may be because the British Empire didn’t collapse in the same way as most others did, usually an empire will disappear following a massive military defeat, the British one just kind of faded away slowly as Britain slowly declined after each of the World Wars. Britain never really got the quick hard shock of being kicked in the teeth and so people still believe the country is somehow special.

Rocsteady wrote:It's depressing but I wouldn't expect many other countries to be much better. There is no promised land.

I don’t think anybody believes that there is a promised land, all countries have their issues. I can completely see why people want to move to other countries though, Britain appears to be sinking into far right anti-immigration politics, coupled with a huge economic shock coming when we leave the EU. France (or wherever) still has its problems, but (assuming the defeat of the Front Nationale) it may well look a damn sight better than Britain soon.