Brexit

You better buckle up.

You'll ge this for years as Brexit becomes a car crash.

It's the re-moaners fault (you know, the ones who voted against it) for not supporting, not buying in, not pushing, not believing, not challenging people who won't give us what we want.

It can't be Leave votes fault - they voted for a sucess after all.

I blame the experts. They completely unreasonably warned us that a thing will be shite, and now they have the nerve to refuse to support the shite thing. Completely out-of-touch

Traitors

Time to start weighing up other options. Aside from Manny, another other negatives to New Zealand?

Rex Kramer wrote:Time to start weighing up other options. Aside from Manny, another other negatives to New Zealand?

What other negatives do you need.

I think they are prone to earthquakes but other than that (and Manny) it seems a decent place.

Rex Kramer wrote:Time to start weighing up other options. Aside from Manny, another other negatives to New Zealand?

Fortunately for you they don't have any grammar tests either

Lagamorph wrote:

Rex Kramer wrote:Time to start weighing up other options. Aside from Manny, another other negatives to New Zealand?

Fortunately for you they don't have any grammar tests either

If Manny's posts are anything to go by then I would be an intellectual colossus there (and an actual colossus as I'm of above average height and they're all hobbits).

Rex Kramer wrote:Time to start weighing up other options. Aside from Manny, another other negatives to New Zealand?

Hobbits. And the ring of fire.

On a lighter note - I got an email from the Conservative party before. Inviting me to the party conference in Manchester in October.

Lucien wrote:

Moggy wrote:If hard Brexit strawberry floats up the country, Leave supporters know who to blame.

Strawman. He says Remoaners (a term which should be reserved for people who are petty, hateful about Leave voters; i.e. half of the posters in here) will hurt the country if they continue acting like that, which is true.

He is not saying Leave supporters should blame these people "if hard Brexit strawberry floats up the country".

No, I'm sure he isn't the sort that would say that.

Lucien wrote:

Moggy wrote:No, I'm sure he isn't the sort that would say that.

He might in future, but he didn't there.

And I never said he did.

Lucien wrote:

Moggy wrote:If hard Brexit strawberry floats up the country, Leave supporters know who to blame.

Strawman. He says Remoaners (a term which should be reserved for people who are petty, hateful about Leave voters; i.e. half of the posters in here) will hurt the country if they continue acting like that, which is true.

He is not saying Leave supporters should blame these people "if hard Brexit strawberry floats up the country".

Is it? Is it really? I absolutely dont see how thats the case. Its not like everyone being happy is going to make that negotiation any better. There's always opposition, I didn't realise we just had to be silent.

If the country is hurt, the blame ultimately lies with one person. Theresa May.

The desire to silence dissent seems quite prevalent amongst Brexit campaigners; a common trait amongst those on the far right/left. Not surprising since shutting down criticism is one of the few defences you have when your arguments are flawed.

Lucien wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Lucien wrote:

Moggy wrote:No, I'm sure he isn't the sort that would say that.

He might in future, but he didn't there.

And I never said he did.

I know.

Your statement before the article had no relation to the article. Either you used it incorrectly or you wanted to portray that that's what he was saying; I'm not bothered either way.

No relation? Really none at all?

I'm not replying anymore btw, conversations with you tend to go round and round in ever more boring anal retentive circles.

Lucien wrote:You don't have to be happy or silent. You can want to be a part of the EU, and push for that, but you equally don't have to insult Leave voters.

So it's okay to use the term Remoaner if an individual deserves it, but we shouldn't insult Leave voters with our horrible slurs based what they say, do, and believe.

Got it, right, cheers for that...

Militant remain voters!?

Jesus, life is moving beyond parody.

Militant remain voters.

Lucien wrote:

Dowbocop wrote:

Lucien wrote:You don't have to be happy or silent. You can want to be a part of the EU, and push for that, but you equally don't have to insult Leave voters.

So it's okay to use the term Remoaner if an individual deserves it, but we shouldn't insult Leave voters with our horrible slurs based what they say, do, and believe.

Got it, right, cheers for that...

You answered that yourself. Individuals can act a certain way; that's not the same as demonising an entire group.

I don't like the title "Remoaner" btw, and wouldn't exactly go around calling my opponents that; but it could at least differentiate between people who voted Remain and those more militant Remain voters.

I genuinely can't believe you've come back with individual/collective pedantry, and then differentiated between two groups yourself. Genuinely cannot believe it. And I love that you obviously know where to draw the lines in the sand for Remain voters, but every Leaver must be treated as a completely unique individual - like a snowflake!

And then you condescend about nuance?! Oh mate...

Lucien wrote:You should totally take militant literally, like when it's applied to atheists and vegans in their respective communities (and outside them). Use nuance for Christ's sake.

If youre using it for vegans or atheists thats no less knobby in my eyes!

I think people think on the Leave side think that people on the remain side just love the EU and thats it. That isn't really the argument.

I have benefitted from mixing with people from other countries, and I struggle to see why others would decide to pit themselves AGAINST those people and not learn from them, but even if I take those feelings out, I just do not understand any single part of the logic for leaving at all. Like none.

We had/have a pretty sweet deal. All I hear is that we have a bad deal? People saying we can negotiate a better deal outside. The EU has already let us be part of the EU and the single market without needing to be in the Euro! We're already getting preferential treatment! We had a great deal going! We're trading with 27 countries, how is that NOT global?

The country won't prevent immigration either. It simply limits numbers of EU immigrants. You're still going to get Nigerian, Indian, Chinese, America, Canadian...plus all the EU immigrants who will be allowed to stay or come to the UK.

The world is becoming a smaller place. I don't understand anyone who denies that, because its undeniably true. Our cultures are going to mix more! Get strawberry floating used to it, its GOING to happen. The idea of Britain shutting itself off from the rest of Europe is ridiculous in this day and age.

Most of the people who voted Leave in this thread I am willing to bet do not feel the pinch. They will complain about millions siphoned off by the EU, but does it really affect your daily life? No. So why throw the dice and take that gamble? You live in one ofn the richest countries in the world, and you know what? It doesnt neccessarily mean it has to stay that way. I have a petrol station at the end of my road and petrol has gone up 20% in six months. TWENTY PERCENT! That might effect you, and we've not even left yet.

I don't accept or roll over to the Leave view because I don't see a decent argument for any of it, the bits I did agree with were lies, and the bits that somehow bother others don't bother me. I literally couldn't be more bewildered at it. I honestly have to ask myself every day, how on earth have so many people come to a different conclusion?