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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
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80%
Leave the European Union
57
20%
 
Total votes: 279
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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Blue Eyes » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:35 am

Stop saying Netflix in here.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Moggy » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:43 am

Blue Eyes wrote:Stop saying Netflix in here.


Somebody hasn't had Netflix and chill this weekend...

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Preezy » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:47 am

I feel sorry for Moggy. He's been led down the garden path by liars and truth haters that try to make Netflix out to be the Big Bad, but just you wait. After a couple of years of no Netflix you'll still be suffering with all the same problems and you'll be looking for something else to blame.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Garth » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:50 am

BANK OF AMERICA: Theresa May's Brexit plan means 'lower incomes all round'

LONDON — Prime Minister Theresa May's plan for a "hard Brexit" will lower UK incomes and cost up to 10% of GDP over 15 years, according to analysts at Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

In a note to clients, the US investment bank highlighted the economic benefits of the customs union and single market, as well as the costs of leaving.

Free trade via the customs union with the EU "has been a key driver of rising average living standards in recent decades (though of course there is much debate about the distribution of income)," analysts led by global economist Ethan S. Harris said in the note. "So cutting trade with the EU would be economically negative in our view."

Meanwhile, the single market "helps economies of scale," the analysts said. "The UK attracts foreign direct investment from abroad in part because of its membership, which often boosts productivity by bringing in external expertise."

"So exiting both the customs union and the single market would therefore be economically costly: it would introduce frictions to UK/EU trade that do not currently exist, which means reduced trade volumes between the UK and EU and therefore lower incomes all round."

"What will be the precise economic costs? No-one can be sure because there are no recent precedents for this type of action," Bank of America said. "But the evidence suggests that the costs will be large, of the order of 5-10% of GDP over perhaps 15 years. This is one reason we are pessimistic about UK trend growth."

http://www.businessinsider.com/bank-of- ... ?r=UK&IR=T

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Errkal » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:50 am

Preezy wrote:I feel sorry for Moggy. He's been led down the garden path by liars and truth haters that try to make Netflix out to be the Big Bad, but just you wait. After a couple of years of no Netflix you'll still be suffering with all the same problems and you'll be looking for something else to blame.


He will still have the memories of previous streams as they will be allowed to stay, when nothing changes it will be fault of those memories holding him back, at that point the only option will be to round up those memories and store them in a memory camp.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Moggy » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:51 am

Preezy wrote:I feel sorry for Moggy. He's been led down the garden path by liars and truth haters that try to make Netflix out to be the Big Bad, but just you wait. After a couple of years of no Netflix you'll still be suffering with all the same problems and you'll be looking for something else to blame.


I think you are just blinded by Project Fear and are not looking at the opportunities that breaking away from Netflix can create.

Stop talking down services like Amazon, iPlayer and YouTube or else the failure will be your fault.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Blue Eyes » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:02 am

Moggy wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:Stop saying Netflix in here.


Somebody hasn't had Netflix and chill this weekend...

...or any other weekend :(

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Rocsteady » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:59 am

Garth wrote:
BANK OF AMERICA: Theresa May's Brexit plan means 'lower incomes all round'

LONDON — Prime Minister Theresa May's plan for a "hard Brexit" will lower UK incomes and cost up to 10% of GDP over 15 years, according to analysts at Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

In a note to clients, the US investment bank highlighted the economic benefits of the customs union and single market, as well as the costs of leaving.

Free trade via the customs union with the EU "has been a key driver of rising average living standards in recent decades (though of course there is much debate about the distribution of income)," analysts led by global economist Ethan S. Harris said in the note. "So cutting trade with the EU would be economically negative in our view."

Meanwhile, the single market "helps economies of scale," the analysts said. "The UK attracts foreign direct investment from abroad in part because of its membership, which often boosts productivity by bringing in external expertise."

"So exiting both the customs union and the single market would therefore be economically costly: it would introduce frictions to UK/EU trade that do not currently exist, which means reduced trade volumes between the UK and EU and therefore lower incomes all round."

"What will be the precise economic costs? No-one can be sure because there are no recent precedents for this type of action," Bank of America said. "But the evidence suggests that the costs will be large, of the order of 5-10% of GDP over perhaps 15 years. This is one reason we are pessimistic about UK trend growth."

http://www.businessinsider.com/bank-of- ... ?r=UK&IR=T

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Squinty » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:49 pm

Project FEARRRRRRR

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Hexx » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:55 pm

I play Avengers Academy (horrible P2Win "freemium game - don't judge me). It's already silly exspensive.

Prices for premium currency have gone up 25% due to Apple increasing the price of everything on the store :(

Brexit :evil:

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Blue Eyes » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:41 pm

Can any leavers explain where this expert is wrong?


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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Moggy » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:03 pm

Lucien wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:
Garth wrote:
BANK OF AMERICA: Theresa May's Brexit plan means 'lower incomes all round'


It's cool, they're only experts.


They're the people who expertly strawberry floated up the world economy in 2008.


They probably know something about strawberry float ups then.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Lagamorph » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:24 pm

Looking at today's Telegraph headline makes no sense to me.
May is claiming a trade deal will open the door to US Jobs.
Isn't that more or less the exact opposite of Trump's American jobs for American people rhetoric?

Everything May says just seems to make her sound more and more like she's living in some fantasy land.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Lex-Man » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:26 pm

Lagamorph wrote:Looking at today's Telegraph headline makes no sense to me.
May is claiming a trade deal will open the door to US Jobs.
Isn't that more or less the exact opposite of Trump's American jobs for American people rhetoric?

Everything May says just seems to make her sound more and more like she's living in some fantasy land.


I guess the hope is that the US doesn't look as the UK as a foreign country, or at least not wholly foreign.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Moggy » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:05 pm

lex-man wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:Looking at today's Telegraph headline makes no sense to me.
May is claiming a trade deal will open the door to US Jobs.
Isn't that more or less the exact opposite of Trump's American jobs for American people rhetoric?

Everything May says just seems to make her sound more and more like she's living in some fantasy land.


I guess the hope is that the US doesn't look as the UK as a foreign country, or at least not wholly foreign.


We don't speak Mexican we speak American and so we is fine.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Lex-Man » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:09 pm

Moggy wrote:
lex-man wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:Looking at today's Telegraph headline makes no sense to me.
May is claiming a trade deal will open the door to US Jobs.
Isn't that more or less the exact opposite of Trump's American jobs for American people rhetoric?

Everything May says just seems to make her sound more and more like she's living in some fantasy land.


I guess the hope is that the US doesn't look as the UK as a foreign country, or at least not wholly foreign.


We don't speak Mexican we speak American and so we is fine.


I know a lot of English people don't really see America as foreign but I don't think it works completely the other way round.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Squinty » Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:38 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... mmigration

So. A big bunch of racist bastards then.

Edit - oh, we are already talking about it. Carry on.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Lex-Man » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:01 pm

Squinty wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/23/theresa-may-donald-trump-us-uk-immigration

So. A big bunch of racist bastards then.

Edit - oh, we are already talking about it. Carry on.


Next week it'll be announced that we"ll become a US state after we leave.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by KK » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:20 pm

Here's why I think anyone worrying about immigration (either because they believe there's too much of it or are worried it's now going to stop) is in for a big surprise. Let's say these EU negotiations go to gooseberry fool (and I think it will), alongside low taxes, deals on immigration is May's biggest asset because it's what businesses clamour for the most. They're all going to want it and the UK government will be in no position to negotiate, even with Australia (dead cert) and the other 3. It simply won't be enough (unless something incredibly far-fetched happens like free movement of people with the USA). She'll have to open it up to China, India etc. I mean this is a fact, so if it's not the EU then immigration will just come from somewhere else. Maybe some will optimistically hope it's now whiter (though Eastern Europeans are white and that was still a problem for some) but it's not going anywhere. That ship has sailed. Which is why I can see support for UKIP dropping like a stone and then rising back up again when the Conservatives don't deliver on their immigration pledge (a pledge she could have quietly dropped after Cameron).

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Tineash » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:47 pm

KKLEIN wrote: (though Eastern Europeans are white and that was still a problem for some)


Whiteness is sociological not biological.

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