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Lagamorph wrote:SNP intending to introduce an amendment that the devolved governments are given a veto, Chuka Umanna intending to introduce an amendment for a commitment that an additional £350million per week be spent on the NHS.

I still expect the bill to go through, but this could be a highly entertaining couple of months. :lol:

Lagamorph wrote:SNP intending to introduce an amendment that the devolved governments are given a veto, Chuka Umanna intending to introduce an amendment for a commitment that an additional £350million per week be spent on the NHS.

It'll be fun watching them trying to squirm out of that, its not like they plastered that on the side of a bus or anything :roll:

Trelliz wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:SNP intending to introduce an amendment that the devolved governments are given a veto, Chuka Umanna intending to introduce an amendment for a commitment that an additional £350million per week be spent on the NHS.

It'll be fun watching them trying to squirm out of that, its not like they plastered that on the side of a bus or anything

"Errmm that wasn't us, that was just the foreign secretary.... :shifty:

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave by KK » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:32 pm

The pound beginning to rebound quite nicely seemingly since Trump became elected...it's now at $1.26.

KKLEIN wrote:The pound beginning to rebound quite nicely seemingly since Trump became elected...it's now at $1.26.

America doing something even more stupid than us has really helped. :lol:

Lagamorph wrote:SNP intending to introduce an amendment that the devolved governments are given a veto, Chuka Umanna intending to introduce an amendment for a commitment that an additional £350million per week be spent on the NHS.

This guy is badass.

was about to say the same thing, what a perfect move :lol:

I don't mind Chuka but it's all a bit pointless, it wants the current government that made any such promise to spend an extra £350m on the NHS. Yes boris took part in events where the bus attended but it wasn't his campaign it was a privately funded campaign group set up by a group of people that wanted out of the EU. It wasn't even a UKIP iniative.

Yeah, and all that was made crystal clear when it was stuck on the bus, and it had no bearing on people's thinking regarding the situation we'd be in outside of the EU.

I get the argument that it wasn't the "official" Leave organization (a stupid strawberry floating notion in itself) but it was still a prominent piece of persuasive propaganda that affected how people perceived the election. P!

A lot of stuff was said by various parties, and yet no-one gets taken into account as it was just brushed off as "well, someone else said that", rather than debunked as an absolutely unfulfillable pledge.

It doesn't matter that it as unofficial or who did it, the fact is, it was stuck on a bus to look like something akin to a campaign pledge. The fact that it was duplicitous overrides that.

And why we're an official group allowed to put something up, promising something they had no control of, and which had no chance of coming to pass?

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I don't mind Chuka but it's all a bit pointless, it wants the current government that made any such promise to spend an extra £350m on the NHS. Yes boris took part in events where the bus attended but it wasn't his campaign it was a privately funded campaign group set up by a group of people that wanted out of the EU. It wasn't even a UKIP iniative.

Official or not that bus was headed up by the man who currently holds one of the four great offices of state.

Your argument would hold more weight if it was a UKIP initiative, the fact that Boris was there does tie it to the current government.

Vote Leave was the official leave campaign, the 'battle bus' was theirs.

It was nothing to do with Farage's unofficial campaign, but the official campaign was behind it. Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Gisela Stuart etc rode around the country in it as the official Vote Leave campaign.

As Garth said, the bus was the official campaign, Farage was unofficial and supported the amount until the day after when suddenly it was nothin to do with him.

But henloint is, it was Johnson, Gove etc. That had the bus, they were the official campaign so that was a proposal by the official leave campaign people saw and would have voted because of.

Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I don't mind Chuka but it's all a bit pointless, it wants the current government that made any such promise to spend an extra £350m on the NHS. Yes boris took part in events where the bus attended but it wasn't his campaign it was a privately funded campaign group set up by a group of people that wanted out of the EU. It wasn't even a UKIP iniative.

Official or not that bus was headed up by the man who currently holds one of the four great offices of state.

Your argument would hold more weight if it was a UKIP initiative, the fact that Boris was there does tie it to the current government.

Yeah, the government will just laugh it off and ignore that.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I don't mind Chuka but it's all a bit pointless, it wants the current government that made any such promise to spend an extra £350m on the NHS. Yes boris took part in events where the bus attended but it wasn't his campaign it was a privately funded campaign group set up by a group of people that wanted out of the EU. It wasn't even a UKIP iniative.

Official or not that bus was headed up by the man who currently holds one of the four great offices of state.

Your argument would hold more weight if it was a UKIP initiative, the fact that Boris was there does tie it to the current government.

Yeah, the government will just laugh it off and ignore that.

Of course they will.

The point is they shouldn't be allowed to.

Ah yeah, I got my wires crossed and forgot that they were actually the official party.

What I was thinking was that they got around it by not being an "official party" in the sense of a political party running for office, making campaign pledges and then being taken to task.

When they won the referendum, they quickly washed their hands of it by saying that the government were the ones in power and they didn't have the ability to do anything.

Which is completely disingenuous, as the bus was made to look like a campaign promise, and that is what many people took it as.

Otherwise no-one is accountable for it and they don't have to fulfill any of the things they said.

People have taken the Remain side to task over scaremongering, but none of these were actual promises, more forecasts.

It's unfair if the Leave side could get away with saying what they wanted, purely because they weren't an official entity that had any power.

PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave by KK » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:37 am

Q&A on Brexit:

Guardian wrote:The SNP MP Stuart Donaldson asks what assessment the government has made of the impact of EU nationals having to leave on public services.

Davis says the government does not intend EU nationals living in the UK to to have to leave.

He accuses the SNP of adopting a “holier than thou” approach to this.

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Charlie Elphicke, the Conservative MP for Dover, says the government may end up having to impose tariffs. Does Davis agree that, using modern technology, you can do this without having to collect tariffs at the border.

Davis says Elphicke is right.

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Sir Oliver Letwin, the former Cabinet Office minister, asks if the government will publish its plans for high-skilled immigration as soon as possible.

Chris Skidmore, a Cabinet Office minister who is answering questions alongside the Brexit team, says it would be good to sort this out quickly.

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Michael Gove, the Conservative former justice secretary and leading Vote Leave campaigner, says article 50 requires the EU to consider what sort of future relationship it will have with the UK. He urges the government to show “generosity” and to tell the EU that the UK will offer them tariff-free trade.

Davis says this is what the government wants to achieve.

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Asked if the white paper will include plans for a seasonal agricultural workers scheme, to allow farmers to hire foreign labour, the Brexit minister David Jones says this is one option that is being considered.

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Sir Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, says Labour will table an amendment to the bill asking Davis to publish reports to parliament every two months on progress in the Brexit talks.

Davis says he has given five statement in the Commons since getting his job. Asking MPs to hear from him every two months might be a rather unambitious aim, he says.

Starmer asks if MPs will get as much involvement in the Brexit process as MEPs.

Davis says MEPs will have a limited role. Guy Verhofstadt, the European parliament’s Brexit negotiate, will be involved, but he won’t be “making the decisions”.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0126/847848-dundalk-jobs-almac-group/

A Northern Ireland-based pharmaceutical company has announced it is opening a new facility in Dundalk, leading to the creation of 100 jobs over the next two years.

Almac Group says the move will provide it with "continued presence within the European Union in the long term".

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I don't mind Chuka but it's all a bit pointless, it wants the current government that made any such promise to spend an extra £350m on the NHS. Yes boris took part in events where the bus attended but it wasn't his campaign it was a privately funded campaign group set up by a group of people that wanted out of the EU. It wasn't even a UKIP iniative.

Official or not that bus was headed up by the man who currently holds one of the four great offices of state.

Your argument would hold more weight if it was a UKIP initiative, the fact that Boris was there does tie it to the current government.

Yeah, the government will just laugh it off and ignore that.

It's a great PR move though. The sort of thing Labour should be continously hammering the government with rather than a one-off event.

How things could've been different had Umunna taken over from Miliband.

So the bill to trigger Article 50 has been given ONLY 3 strawberry floating DAYS of debate before going to a vote.

Lagamorph wrote:So the bill to trigger Article 50 has been given ONLY 3 strawberry floating DAYS of debate before going to a vote.

Maybe that short time will lead to fewer MPs agreeing to it?

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