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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
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80%
Leave the European Union
57
20%
 
Total votes: 279
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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Moggy » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:51 pm

Mr Corbyn said Labour MPs would face a three-line whip to vote in favour of the bill.

He said he understood the "pressures and issues" members faced, but called on them to "unite" around "important issues" and "not to block Article 50 but to make sure it goes through next week".

Frontbench members of parties are generally expected to resign from their post if they decided to defy a three-line whip.


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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Errkal » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:52 pm

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Lagamorph wrote:So the bill to trigger Article 50 has been given ONLY 3 strawberry floating DAYS of debate before going to a vote.

Maybe that short time will lead to fewer MPs agreeing to it?

It just means banana split may can be extra vague about everything to what ever the hell she wants like the little dictator bitch she seems to be.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by That » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:10 pm

Lagamorph wrote:So the bill to trigger Article 50 has been given ONLY 3 strawberry floating DAYS of debate before going to a vote.


How is rushing things like that legal? (I don't doubt it is, but it seems like a big oversight.) I hope MPs do the right thing and block it at least until it has had a proper debate. I'm of the opinion that whatever Theresa May wants she will ultimately get - our opposition is weak, particularly on this issue - but regardless, no Prime Minister should be able to force through legislation without due process. It's not what our representative democracy is about.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Rocsteady » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:45 pm

500 pages woop.

I remember the heady days of 2015... :(

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Trelliz » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:53 pm

Rocsteady wrote:500 pages woop.

I remember the heady days of 2015... :(



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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Dowbocop » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:09 pm

This is being rushed through like Alan Rickman's marriage in Robin Hood.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Trelliz » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:30 pm

I'll cut Britain out of the EU with a spoon!

Why a spoon, Theresa? Why not a knife or an axe...?

Because its blunt, you idiot it'll hurt more!

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Lagamorph » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:02 pm

Tulip Siddiq, shadow minister for early years, has just resigned from the front bench in protest at Corbyn's orders to vote in favour of Article 50.

Clive Lewis has confirmed he will back the bill, despite heavy rumours he would rebel.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by KK » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:17 pm

Economy still continuing to do fantastically well:

BBC News wrote:Strong consumer spending helped the UK's economy to grow faster than expected at the end of last year.

The economy grew by 0.6% in the October-to-December period, the same rate as in the previous two quarters, according to an initial estimate from the Office for National Statistics.

The figure indicates that the feared economic slowdown following the Brexit vote has not materialised.

For 2016 as whole, the economy grew by 2%, down from 2.2% in 2015.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38755242

Comments naturally thinks the hive-mind at the BBC is livid at this news.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Meep » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:31 pm

It's obvious that the predictions of an immediate downturn were wrong because consumers are the same people as the electorate. Most people do not realise the turmoil that the negotiations will mean and are happily spending away, whilst those who see it coming might be spending even more now for year business costs will rise in the future. I wouldn't be lulled into a false of sense of security, especially since consumer debt is at terrifying levels that would be had with or without Brexit.

Even before the referendum I was betting on a recession in 2017 regardless of the result. That still stands. None of the problems from 2008 were fixed and pot is going to boil over eventually. The significance of Brexit is that it turns up the heat.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Moggy » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:37 pm

The commenters seem to think it proves that Brexit is a great thing but they fail to notice that Brexit hasn't happened yet. Any good economic news at the moment is based on the UK being a member of the EU.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Squinty » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:34 am

Sometimes opposites attract.

Is she looking to bang him?!?

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Rex Kramer » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:04 pm

If the majority of Labour voters voted Remain but the majority of Labour constituencies voted to Leave then who do the MPs of those constituencies have to represent? Are they beholden to all their constituents or their party supporters?

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Rocsteady » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:06 pm

Should be constituents. But then all the Tories MPs will be voting leave irregardless so strawberry float it. Disappointed Clive Lewis has decided to toe the party line. The more MPs that revel against Corbyn the better.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Qikz » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:07 pm

I don't get MPs. They're all listening to the idiotic vocal minority who really have no idea what they're on about.

There was a Welshman yesterday on the radio who said "the welsh people were not tricked, we knew what we were voting for" and then proceeds to spout gooseberry fool that shows he knows nothing. He was claiming that the EU money was wasted that was sent to them, ignoring that it's their local government who choose where that goes and also then goes on to say "it's a complete waste of our money".

That's great, but you live in the poorest area of wales and without the EU funding you'll get nothing. Your situation will be 100x worse. Good luck with that.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Rex Kramer » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:11 pm

Rocsteady wrote:Should be constituents. But then all the Tories MPs will be voting leave irregardless so strawberry float it. Disappointed Clive Lewis has decided to toe the party line. The more MPs that revel against Corbyn the better.

But do they then risk undermining their support in a general election? If the majority of their voters, in their constituency, voted to Remain, would they then lose their votes next time around if they feel their views aren't being represented?

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Qikz » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:19 pm

Rex Kramer wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:Should be constituents. But then all the Tories MPs will be voting leave irregardless so strawberry float it. Disappointed Clive Lewis has decided to toe the party line. The more MPs that revel against Corbyn the better.

But do they then risk undermining their support in a general election? If the majority of their voters, in their constituency, voted to Remain, would they then lose their votes next time around if they feel their views aren't being represented?


Well, the bad news is for us Remainers in majority Remain constituencies is nobody gives a strawberry float about what we want or what we feel.

We're stuck with the worst decision this country has made since the Iraq war (and this is much worse) and will be stuck with this decision for the next 30 years at least.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Lagamorph » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:33 pm

Grcade's favourite MP, Thangam Debbonaire, is talking about has confirmed she'll be defying Corbyn, along with Jeff Smith and Daniel Zeichner.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by That » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:38 pm

Thangam :wub:

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Qikz » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:42 pm

I'm so happy the Labour MPs from remain areas are taking part in this.

Shame the conservative banana splits are not doing the same. Shows how much they care about us.

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