Brexit

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Bananas are curved because it makes this picture funnier.

I think we need a photo shopped straight banana before we can declare that...

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Good God almighty, is nothing safe?

Are these companies just using Britain leaving the EU as an excuse to raise prices or is there legit reason behind it? Like we're not even out yet lol

Part of it is the sharp drop in the pound, part of it is just an excuse.

How long until some Leave voters who wanted to curb overall immigration, spend more on the NHS, and have the UK "regain" its sovereignty see what's happening in America as the ultimate solution to their goals once it's confirmed Brexit won't get them any of those things?

Cuttooth wrote:How long until some Leave voters who wanted to curb overall immigration, spend more on the NHS, and have the UK "regain" its sovereignty see what's happening in America as the ultimate solution to their goals once it's confirmed Brexit won't get them any of those things?

Any problems post Brexit will be the fault of Remoaners and/or the EU bullying us. They will never see that it was our own fault and so the only option will be to head further and further towards the American style right wing.

What's happening in America couldn't really happen in the UK though, not with our current system of government anyway. We don't have any kind of equivalent to Executive Orders do we? And Parliament/Lords would make it incredibly difficult to push through the kind of things Trump is pulling out of his arse.

Moggy wrote:

Cuttooth wrote:How long until some Leave voters who wanted to curb overall immigration, spend more on the NHS, and have the UK "regain" its sovereignty see what's happening in America as the ultimate solution to their goals once it's confirmed Brexit won't get them any of those things?

Any problems post Brexit will be the fault of Remoaners and/or the EU bullying us. They will never see that it was our own fault and so the only option will be to head further and further towards the American style right wing.

That's an overgeneralisation I think. If the next two years hits Leave voters pockets like it probably will a sobering realisation that they were lied to and a mistake has likely been made will come over most moderately minded voters. Some will feel entitled to everything going their way and will be blinkered into blaming the other side should that not lead to a land of milk and honey.

A proportion, potentially a sizeable minority, will simply be angry that something even as extreme as Brexit wasn't the answer to the problems they feel they have with this country, and will look for any means necessary to get their way. This minority I think could be led down a more fascist path.

Cuttooth wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Cuttooth wrote:How long until some Leave voters who wanted to curb overall immigration, spend more on the NHS, and have the UK "regain" its sovereignty see what's happening in America as the ultimate solution to their goals once it's confirmed Brexit won't get them any of those things?

Any problems post Brexit will be the fault of Remoaners and/or the EU bullying us. They will never see that it was our own fault and so the only option will be to head further and further towards the American style right wing.

That's an overgeneralisation I think. If the next two years hits Leave voters pockets like it probably will a sobering realisation that they were lied to and a mistake has likely been made will come over most moderately minded voters. Some will feel entitled to everything going their way and will be blinkered into blaming the other side should that not lead to a land of milk and honey.

A proportion, potentially a sizeable minority, will simply be angry that something even as extreme as Brexit wasn't the answer to the problems they feel they have with this country, and will look for any means necessary to get their way. This minority I think could be led down a more fascist path.

I don't really think what's happening has will be affected by the mechanisms of government. It just takes the fascists having enough power to start pushing things their way.

Cuttooth wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Cuttooth wrote:How long until some Leave voters who wanted to curb overall immigration, spend more on the NHS, and have the UK "regain" its sovereignty see what's happening in America as the ultimate solution to their goals once it's confirmed Brexit won't get them any of those things?

Any problems post Brexit will be the fault of Remoaners and/or the EU bullying us. They will never see that it was our own fault and so the only option will be to head further and further towards the American style right wing.

That's an overgeneralisation I think. If the next two years hits Leave voters pockets like it probably will a sobering realisation that they were lied to and a mistake has likely been made will come over most moderately minded voters. Some will feel entitled to everything going their way and will be blinkered into blaming the other side should that not lead to a land of milk and honey.

A proportion, potentially a sizeable minority, will simply be angry that something even as extreme as Brexit wasn't the answer to the problems they feel they have with this country, and will look for any means necessary to get their way. This minority I think could be led down a more fascist path.

The people thick enough to believe the Leave lies will be thick enough to swallow the "it's the EU bullying us!" lies.

Which will lead to the Tories heading further to the right and strong support for whatever UKIP morph into.

Won't that just be an extension of what the Tories have been doing for nearly a decade with regards to Labour? 'The previous administration was such a balls-up, it continues to affect us even though we've now been in power for 8 years', they'll just rephrase it to push the blame onto an outside body and a percentage of the population will believe it. Push the lie often enough until it's believed as truth. I wouldn't be surprised if at some point Scotland is put in the firing lines, something about how they're holding back the UK and impeding on democracy blahblahblah.

On another note, it was a popular reactionary response after the Referendum vote came in, but has anyone properly followed through on the idea of leaving the UK? I knew plenty of people that offhandedly mentioned it, but has anyone put the cogs in motion to getting citizenship in an EU state? I ask as I have slowly started down that path myself; Over the coming months I should be doing some work in places across the EU and I reckon the point will come when I decide not to come back, should the work be fruitful and stable enough to support it.

Banjo wrote:On another note, it was a popular reactionary response after the Referendum vote came in, but has anyone properly followed through on the idea of leaving the UK? I knew plenty of people that offhandedly mentioned it, but has anyone put the cogs in motion to getting citizenship in an EU state? I ask as I have slowly started down that path myself; Over the coming months I should be doing some work in places across the EU and I reckon the point will come when I decide not to come back, should the work be fruitful and stable enough to support it.

I have dual nationality with Ireland (both parents born there) but haven't bothered to get an Irish passport. Apparently Irish passport office has been swamped for the last year with applications.

I believe Moggy is in the process of sorting his Irish passport out.

It's fairly easy to qualify for an Irish passport if you have ancestry there, no clue what the rules are like for other EU states.

Dad's side of the family is Irish, so I could probably go for that if I felt like it.

I've got Irish/British dual nationality, glad I'll still be an EU citizen post-Brexit

I looked in to it, but it won't be easy to do. My Dad and Brother have Canadian citizenship but I can't automatically get citizenship as I'm over 18.

I will keep my EU citizenship if possible, though.

I'm just hoping Scotland becomes independent and allies itself with the right side in WWIII, or stays neutral.

Banjo wrote:Dad's side of the family is Irish, so I could probably go for that if I felt like it.

As long as you have a parent or grandparent that was born on the island of Ireland (Republic or Northern) you should qualify.

Both grandparents on my Dad's side.