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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
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Leave the European Union
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Total votes: 279
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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by KK » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:33 pm

A lot of interesting facts about who voted for what in the referendum. Older, white, socially deprived areas featuring very little or rapidly changing immigration, and those with less qualifications were considerably more likely to vote to Leave, though there were exceptions to that that rule (such as in Ealing and Hounslow, where many Asian voters appear to have chosen Leave): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034

Social issues very much front and centre. I guess this is where the anger towards the older generation deciding the new generation's fate comes from. At the same time this is why I don't think Remain/Leave voters, and so many in politics can properly relate. They are experiencing two different worlds & equal amounts of disdain for the other.

Very similar in design to Trump's victory in the United States too.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Moggy » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:54 pm

Less educated and old people are more likely to have voted Leave?

I'm stunned. :lol:

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Drumstick » Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:04 pm

Moggy wrote:Less educated and old people are more likely to have voted Leave?

I'm stunned. :lol:

Indeed. :lol:

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Squinty » Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:20 pm

I'm utterly stunned at these findings.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by DML » Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:21 pm

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I can only speak English so my options for working in EU states is limited, not to mention, most places are doing worse than us and I can't see that changing whilst being shackled to the Euro. I'd only have Ireland as a viable option, to which the CTA applied before we ever joined the EU so anyone British has indefinite right to live and work in Ireland.


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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Moggy » Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:31 pm

Grumpy David wrote: I'd only have Ireland as a viable option, to which the CTA applied before we ever joined the EU so anyone British has indefinite right to live and work in Ireland.


It was less than a year ago that people thought they would have an indefinite right to live and work in Europe. Things change and might change quickly if FLOODS of Europeans come STREAMING into Britain via the Eire/N Ireland border and SWAMP us with their benefit claims.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Blue Eyes » Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:56 pm

Pat Condell's response to these findings:

twitter.com/patcondell/status/828628810505605120



For all his talk about strawberry floating snowflakes he is as bitter and myopic as the people he mocks every day. Starting to really hate him.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Moggy » Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:59 pm

Blue Eyes wrote:Starting to really hate him.


Only starting? The man has been an utter banana split for years. :lol:

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Garth » Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:00 pm

He's awful.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Blue Eyes » Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:03 pm

Moggy wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:Starting to really hate him.


Only starting? The man has been an utter banana split for years. :lol:

Yeah, I don't completely disagree with him on everything but this stuff about the EU and his constant defence of the likes of Trump and Farage just make me sick.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Meep » Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:24 pm

The comments under that article are amazing. People are claiming to have multiple degrees despite being unable to string a properly composed sentence together. :lol:

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Lagamorph » Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:53 pm

http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-bill-m ... e-10758682

So some Tory MPs are now openly talking about voting against triggering Article 50 when it comes to the final vote. Dozens of amendments is being discussed at this very moment in Parliament.

Live updates - http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-live-l ... l-10758628


May is none too happy about any support for Amendments it seems, she's "warning Tory MPs not to obstruct the will of the people" :fp:

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Hexx » Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:18 pm

Corbyn imposes 3 line whie on Brexit tomorrow - regardless of amendments accepted/rejected

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ion-letter

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by DML » Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:48 pm

Hexx wrote:Corbyn imposes 3 line whie on Brexit tomorrow - regardless of amendments accepted/rejected

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ion-letter


Now this I REALLY don't understand. :|

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Moggy » Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:51 pm

DML wrote:
Hexx wrote:Corbyn imposes 3 line whie on Brexit tomorrow - regardless of amendments accepted/rejected

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ion-letter


Now this I REALLY don't understand. :|


He meant three line whip.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Grumpy David » Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:52 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/02/07/top-world-britain-outpace-g7-next-three-decades/

Top of the world: Britain to outpace G7 for 'next three decades'

The Telegraph wrote:Britain will grow faster than any other major advanced economy over the next three decades as the EU’s share of global output diminishes, according to PwC.

UK economic growth is predicted to outpace the US, Canada, France and Germany between 2016 and 2050, with average annual growth of 1.9pc.

This is also double the average annual pace of growth expected in Japan and Italy.

While the UK’s decision to leave the EU is expected to exert “some medium-term drag” on the economy, PwC signalled that Britain was in prime position to forge new trade ties with “faster-growing emerging economies”, which are expected to cement their status as the engines of global growth.

John Hawksworth, chief economist at PwC, said Britain’s “relatively flexible economy by European standards” was an advantage.

The share of working age Britons is forecast to be higher over the coming decades than most other G7 economies, according to the United Nations.

While these population projections were published before the UK’s decision to leave the EU, Mr Hawksworth said the UK’s “favourable demographic factors” were likely to continue.

PwC stressed that growth depended on the country “remaining open to talented people from around the world after Brexit”.

It added that “developing successful trade and investment links with faster-growing emerging economies” were “critical” if UK growth were to outpace other advanced economies and offset “probable weaker trade links with the EU after Brexit”.

PwC expects the global economy to double in size within a quarter of a century, with average annual growth of 2.6pc.

The expansion is forecast to be driven by emerging markets such as Brazil, China, India, Mexico and Russia, which are forecast to grow by 3.5pc between 2016 and 2050, compared with G7 average annual growth of 1.6pc.

China is expected to maintain its position as the world’s top economy in terms of gross domestic product (GDP) based on purchasing power parity (PPP), which adjusts for price differences and buying power in each country, while India is projected to overtake the US into second position.

The US will drop to third place in the rankings, while Indonesia and Brazil are expected to climb to fourth and fifth position respectively.

Britain is forecast to slip into tenth place, from ninth, while Italy is predicted to drop from 12th to 21st place, and Germany to ninth from fifth position.

In nominal terms, the UK is predicted to slide to ninth from fifth position over the next three decades.

PwC’s World in 2050 report said the “rise of China and India” would reduce the share of world GDP accounted for by Europe. India’s share is projected to be larger than the EU27 by 2035, with the EU’s share of the world economy (at PPPs) projected to drop from 15pc to 9pc by 2050.

“While the exact extent and timing of these shifts is subject to considerable uncertainty, the general direction of change is clear,” PwC said.

Analysis: how the world will look in 2050

The global economic order is changing.

PwC’s latest forecast for the world economy in 2050 shows the rise of emerging markets is expected to continue over the next few decades, even as questions loom over the future of trade and what a stronger dollar could mean for these countries in the next few years.

Predicting the future is not easy. The words “Brexit” and “Trump” tell you that.

But while the world is full of uncertainty, one trend is clear: populations around the world are ageing and there are fewer workers at the bottom to pay for the pensions of those retiring at the top.

The outlook is bleaker among major advanced economies, which PwC expects to grow at a “markedly slower” average rate of 1.6pc per year between now and 2050, compared with the global average of 2.6pc per year.

The weaker-than-expected recovery over the past few years does not bode well for the future, it says. The main driver of the slowdown is a downgrade of expected productivity growth in the US, with an ageing population, a “plateau of educational attainment”, and higher household and government borrowing all to blame.


Gave up trying to copy and paste the rest of the article via phone.

Good news though. Free trade deals with growing markets look like the key to making Brexit a success.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by OrangeRKN » Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:57 pm

Grumpy David wrote:The share of working age Britons is forecast to be higher over the coming decades than most other G7 economies, according to the United Nations.

While these population projections were published before the UK’s decision to leave the EU, Mr Hawksworth said the UK’s “favourable demographic factors” were likely to continue.


i.e. immigration makes us economically better off

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Moggy » Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:59 pm

Grumpy David wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/02/07/top-world-britain-outpace-g7-next-three-decades/

Top of the world: Britain to outpace G7 for 'next three decades'

The Telegraph wrote:Britain will grow faster than any other major advanced economy over the next three decades as the EU’s share of global output diminishes, according to PwC.

UK economic growth is predicted to outpace the US, Canada, France and Germany between 2016 and 2050, with average annual growth of 1.9pc.

This is also double the average annual pace of growth expected in Japan and Italy.

...

The expansion is forecast to be driven by emerging markets such as Brazil, China, India, Mexico and Russia, which are forecast to grow by 3.5pc between 2016 and 2050, compared with G7 average annual growth of 1.6pc.

.......

Britain is forecast to slip into tenth place, from ninth, while Italy is predicted to drop from 12th to 21st place, and Germany to ninth from fifth position.

In nominal terms, the UK is predicted to slide to ninth from fifth position over the next three decades

....

The outlook is bleaker among major advanced economies, which PwC expects to grow at a “markedly slower” average rate of 1.6pc per year between now and 2050, compared with the global average of 2.6pc per year.

The weaker-than-expected recovery over the past few years does not bode well for the future, it says. The main driver of the slowdown is a downgrade of expected productivity growth in the US, with an ageing population, a “plateau of educational attainment”, and higher household and government borrowing all to blame.


Gave up trying to copy and paste the rest of the article via phone.

Good news though. Free trade deals with growing markets look like the key to making Brexit a success.


Doesn't sound that great to me. If PwC are correct, then we might grow faster than some of the European countries but overall we are going to be poorer as we slowdown and the developing world catches up.

Plus (as OR pointed out) a lot of that is based on us continuing to accept young workers from around the world, rather than becoming a closed country with an aging population - lower immigration is WOT WE VOTED FOR!1!! so I guess those predictions are not going to be too accurate.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Qikz » Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:01 pm

Moggy wrote:
Grumpy David wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/02/07/top-world-britain-outpace-g7-next-three-decades/

Top of the world: Britain to outpace G7 for 'next three decades'

The Telegraph wrote:Britain will grow faster than any other major advanced economy over the next three decades as the EU’s share of global output diminishes, according to PwC.

UK economic growth is predicted to outpace the US, Canada, France and Germany between 2016 and 2050, with average annual growth of 1.9pc.

This is also double the average annual pace of growth expected in Japan and Italy.

...

The expansion is forecast to be driven by emerging markets such as Brazil, China, India, Mexico and Russia, which are forecast to grow by 3.5pc between 2016 and 2050, compared with G7 average annual growth of 1.6pc.

.......

Britain is forecast to slip into tenth place, from ninth, while Italy is predicted to drop from 12th to 21st place, and Germany to ninth from fifth position.

In nominal terms, the UK is predicted to slide to ninth from fifth position over the next three decades

....

The outlook is bleaker among major advanced economies, which PwC expects to grow at a “markedly slower” average rate of 1.6pc per year between now and 2050, compared with the global average of 2.6pc per year.

The weaker-than-expected recovery over the past few years does not bode well for the future, it says. The main driver of the slowdown is a downgrade of expected productivity growth in the US, with an ageing population, a “plateau of educational attainment”, and higher household and government borrowing all to blame.


Gave up trying to copy and paste the rest of the article via phone.

Good news though. Free trade deals with growing markets look like the key to making Brexit a success.


Doesn't sound that great to me. If PwC are correct, then we might grow faster than some of the European countries but overall we are going to be poorer as we slowdown and the developing world catches up.


This is exactly what happened with Japan in the 60s-90s. The same thing is happening right now with South Korea. They're booming now, but eventually their electronics industry will start to falter, same as Japan's did.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by That » Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:01 pm

Let's hope we do actually get these free trade deals. It will certainly be contingent on favourable visa policies for residents of those countries, which I would be very happy with as it will drive Daily Mail reading racists absolutely mad. "But we voted for no more foreigners!!!"

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