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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
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80%
Leave the European Union
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20%
 
Total votes: 279
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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by KK » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:00 am

Some good news this morning on the jobs front:

Reuters wrote:Amazon to create over 5,000 jobs in Britain in 2017

Online retailer Amazon is set to create more than 5,000 jobs in Britain this year, the company said on Monday, boosting its investment in the country once more even as it prepares to leave the European Union.

Amazon, along with other tech giants such as Google and Apple, has increased its commitment to Britain in the last year, saying Britain's referendum decision to leave the EU last June did not affect its investment plans.

The plans to add over 5,000 jobs in 2017 is a record for Amazon in Britain, although at least 2,000 of the jobs had been previously announced. The moves would take its permanent workforce in the country to 24,000.

Doug Gurr, UK country manager at Amazon, said the jobs would provide "even faster delivery, more selection and better value" for British customers.
Amazon's new head office in London will have capacity for more than 5,000 people by the end of the year, the firm said. The concentration of tech expertise in London has been cited by many firms as an attraction.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Lagamorph » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:02 am

Aren't Amazon notoriously bad to work for?

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Benzin » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:02 am

Well, good news for those jobseekers in London then :simper:

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Moggy » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:04 am

Lagamorph wrote:Aren't Amazon notoriously bad to work for?


Yep.

Plus they will be replacing everyone with drones soon.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Cuttooth » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:04 am

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Rex Kramer wrote:Maybe it might be the motivation Labour need to give Corbyn the push?


A GE would have the effect of getting rid of Corbyn but only because Labour would be annihilated. That would be a good thing though as we might have a chance of getting a decent opposition in.

So a government with no mandate, no election victory and no manifesto to guide how they act is going to make the most important decision in recent British history?


This doesn't make sense. They won the 2015 general election giving them a mandate based on a manifesto that included a promise for an in/out referendum on the EU. We do not directly elect Prime Ministers, it was wrong when Tory's called Gordon Brown "unelected", it is wrong to say the same about May.

There are lots of reason to oppose the governments actions on the referendum and Brexit, but that isn't one of them.


It was also in their manifesto that they would 'safeguard British interests in the Single Market'.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Rex Kramer » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:07 am

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Rex Kramer wrote:So a government with no mandate, no election victory and no manifesto to guide how they act is going to make the most important decision in recent British history?


This doesn't make sense. They won the 2015 general election giving them a mandate based on a manifesto that included a promise for an in/out referendum on the EU. We do not directly elect Prime Ministers, it was wrong when Tory's called Gordon Brown "unelected", it is wrong to say the same about May.

There are lots of reason to oppose the governments actions on the referendum and Brexit, but that isn't one of them.

Maybe that isn't the best way to express what I'm trying to say. My issue is that the direction of Brexit is being entirely governed by a section of ministers, none of whom where in cabinet positions (by this I mean Johnson, Davis and Fox) at the last election and on that basis, you'd imagine none of them contributed to the last Tory party manifesto. The party that was elected and the positions they would take on state matters is not the one we have now. I guess this is standard for a 4-5 year election term, things can change during that period, but there was such a massive sea change in both personnel and political thought that we really need confirmation in some shape that the country is happy (as a majority) with the way it is proceeding.

BTW, it isn't going to happen. May wouldn't risk eroding her current support to the Lib Dems in the remain areas and Labour wouldn't push for it as they're on the back foot in their northern constituencies that voted leave.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by KK » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:09 am

Benzin wrote:Well, good news for those jobseekers in London then :simper:

Telegraph wrote:More than 1,500 Amazon jobs will be based at its development centres in Cambridge, Edinburgh and London, where staff work on innovations including voice-recognition tool Alexa, its drone delivery service Prime Air and Prime Video.

The online company said that it would look to hire as many seasonal employees for the new permanent roles as possible, adding that over 10,000 of the company’s existing 19,000 employees started in a seasonal role

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Moggy » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:12 am

Cuttooth wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Rex Kramer wrote:Maybe it might be the motivation Labour need to give Corbyn the push?


A GE would have the effect of getting rid of Corbyn but only because Labour would be annihilated. That would be a good thing though as we might have a chance of getting a decent opposition in.

So a government with no mandate, no election victory and no manifesto to guide how they act is going to make the most important decision in recent British history?


This doesn't make sense. They won the 2015 general election giving them a mandate based on a manifesto that included a promise for an in/out referendum on the EU. We do not directly elect Prime Ministers, it was wrong when Tory's called Gordon Brown "unelected", it is wrong to say the same about May.

There are lots of reason to oppose the governments actions on the referendum and Brexit, but that isn't one of them.


It was also in their manifesto that they would 'safeguard British interests in the Single Market'.


But they will argue that a referendum overrules that because it is "the will of the people".

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by OrangeRakoon » Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:23 am

ITT: Meep lays out the truth and it hurts :(

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by DML » Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:43 am

Even with passive aggressive May glaring at them from the naughty step, its looking increadingly likely the bill is going to get an or some amendments in the House Of Lords. Which is a crumb of comfort in this 'will of the people' bullying shitstorm.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Qikz » Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:49 am

DML wrote:Even with passive aggressive May glaring at them from the naughty step, its looking increadingly likely the bill is going to get an or some amendments in the House Of Lords. Which is a crumb of comfort in this 'will of the people' bullying shitstorm.


IDS was trying to spout the "will of the people" bullshit in Lords yesterday. Hopefully he's ignored.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Squinty » Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:27 am

DML wrote:Even with passive aggressive May glaring at them from the naughty step, its looking increadingly likely the bill is going to get an or some amendments in the House Of Lords. Which is a crumb of comfort in this 'will of the people' bullying shitstorm.


Just read about this. What a stupid strawberry floating woman.

Speaking of stupid women, Arlene Foster's interview with Mark Carruthers last week was......really something. Doesn't remember important figures, laughs off that crocodile comment, makes tinfoil hat statements, blames Sinn Fein a huge amount of the time, doesn't want to give details about where that Brexit spread money came from and how much it was (although she is not legally entitled to do this, I think it is important that she does).

I seriously hope this party lose a gooseberry fool lot of votes. We need to shun the strawberry float out of them if we want the best for NI.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Moggy » Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:58 am

DML wrote:Even with passive aggressive May glaring at them from the naughty step,


When I read that, I didn't think you meant that she actually went there to glare at them. :lol:

strawberry float me we have a terrible government. :fp:

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by bear » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:24 pm

Squinty wrote:
DML wrote:Even with passive aggressive May glaring at them from the naughty step, its looking increadingly likely the bill is going to get an or some amendments in the House Of Lords. Which is a crumb of comfort in this 'will of the people' bullying shitstorm.


Just read about this. What a stupid strawberry floating woman.

Speaking of stupid women, Arlene Foster's interview with Mark Carruthers last week was......really something. Doesn't remember important figures, laughs off that crocodile comment, makes tinfoil hat statements, blames Sinn Fein a huge amount of the time, doesn't want to give details about where that Brexit spread money came from and how much it was (although she is not legally entitled to do this, I think it is important that she does).

I seriously hope this party lose a gooseberry fool lot of votes. We need to shun the strawberry float out of them if we want the best for NI.

That interview was a triumph.


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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Lagamorph » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:58 pm

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But I thought we were taking back our borders?!?!

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by <]:^D » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:18 pm

the bigger question is what the strawberry float is Boris wearing?

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Meep » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:27 pm

May is intent to rush this through because she wants to avoid the political fallout of the process being protracted. She and many senior Tories know the continuation of austerity cuts to come will be cutting to the bone and the likely fiscal turbulence of the next couple years means outright civil unrest is increasingly likely. They cannot afford to pile Brexit on top of all that but they have to, hence the haste.

There is an absolutely massive shitstorm heading straight for Number 10 and what will happen in the resulting chaos is anyone's guess.

This is why I think they would probably be wiser to call an election sooner rather than later. If the Brexit negotiations go badly and the economy wobbles just as councils are being bled bone dry and the NHS is buckling then Labour could well swing the next election; especially if they have new leader by then. I know, sound ridiculous now, but just wait and see.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Moggy » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:00 am

<]:^D wrote:the bigger question is what the strawberry float is Boris wearing?


A costume designed to make him look like a harmless eccentric that means no harm to nobody, honest.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Squinty » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:15 am

I agree with Meep in that I think there will be a lot of civil unrest. We've had 7 or so years of tightening purse strings. Brexit on top of this will potentially make the situation much worse. Whenever you hear that the council tax increases aren't even close to covering things like care, and by the sounds of things, we are going to be asked to pay back the 60 billion we owe, things are looking grim. More cuts to already struggling services.

A colossal risk we are taking. We should hope the governments trade negotiations go well. They need to play a blinder.

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PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave
by Glowy69 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:01 pm

Absolute banter when lots and lots and lots of leave voters who voted primarily for immigration, nothing changes :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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