Brexit

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About that second point.

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Hmmm.

The reports from the weekend are horrific

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 11206.html

David Davis confuses me. This is a man who many people don't trust but just because he's pro Brexit all those people now trust him? I wouldn't trust him to look after my cat.

What confuses me is the claim that the eu has more to lose as we import more from them. But doesn't that just mean that it's going to cost us a lot more to import? We aren't going to find other sources, in the short term anyway. So Irish farm goods, French wine and German cars will just cost us more. Whether or not we will buy a lot less we don't know yet.

Hexx wrote:The reports from the weekend are horrific

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 11206.html

This is genuinely worrying.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:What confuses me is the claim that the eu has more to lose as we import more from them. But doesn't that just mean that it's going to cost us a lot more to import? We aren't going to find other sources, in the short term anyway. So Irish farm goods, French wine and German cars will just cost us more. Whether or not we will buy a lot less we don't know yet.

What you're forgetting is that they need us more than we need them...



Apparently...

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:What confuses me is the claim that the eu has more to lose as we import more from them. But doesn't that just mean that it's going to cost us a lot more to import? We aren't going to find other sources, in the short term anyway. So Irish farm goods, French wine and German cars will just cost us more. Whether or not we will buy a lot less we don't know yet.

People will buy other things instead. For example, vehicles built here would be taxed less. I didn't say they had more to lose, just that this kind of thing is a bargaining chip.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:What confuses me is the claim that the eu has more to lose as we import more from them. But doesn't that just mean that it's going to cost us a lot more to import? We aren't going to find other sources, in the short term anyway. So Irish farm goods, French wine and German cars will just cost us more. Whether or not we will buy a lot less we don't know yet.

It's bollocks, it is a line that is technically true in that we buy more than we sell, however it would only be a bargaining chip if we bought more than everyone else combined or were the largest importer or something like that, as it is it is a piss weak argument that just means we will pay for gooseberry fool

What you're all doing, and really shouldn't, is taking the EU's agenda, vested-interest-led "leaks" at face value.

The funny thing is Yanis Varoufakis was talking about how the EU will do everything in their power to undermine the UK and cause internal conflict this very weekend because that's how they operate, and like clockwork this very convenient leak turns up less than 48 hours later.

The Conservatives will join in with these leaks to the public as well at some point, and they'll probably be equally as loaded.

It's all tactical game-playing on what will be a very long, drawn-out protracted process that will produce a never ending stream of stories to latch on to depending on which side you sit.

It's worth noting that many in the city and on the left already not happy about the way the EU has handled this either.

Gideon Rachman, Chief foreign affairs commentator for the Financial Times wrote:May might be deluded. But pretty outrageous for Commission to leak entire details of private dinner. How negotiate in trust if that happens?

Lionel Barber, Editor of the Financial Times wrote:Agree with @gideonrachman that the Commission leak is malicious, self-serving wake-up call. Heads will not roll..

Robert Shrimsley, Editorial director, Financial Times wrote:Other point on the Brexit dinner leak. It's quite hard to overstate how badly May reacts to what she sees as personal treachery

Gianni Riotta, Riotta Italy wrote:any good faith gone [on] both sides. Appalling to check the anti-UK rage in EU upper echelons...

If this is a sign of anything long-term it's that these negotiations could be very nasty, very dirty, and end up with no winners. You'll end up with a game of tit-for-tat sabotage. A tax haven and monster trade tariffs will be right up there; citizens being forced out could be another; a complete breakdown of military and security sharing would be a really big deal...it depends how far neither side are willing to budge on anything, and how far relations could sour. But again, we're not even in month 1 of a process that could still be getting ironed out in 2022.

KK wrote:What you're all doing, and really shouldn't, is taking the EU's agenda, vested-interest-led "leaks" at face value.

It's not as if Theresa May hasn't been saying the exact same rhetoric in public.

She's full of gooseberry fool too, I have no doubt.

KK wrote:She's full of gooseberry fool too, I have no doubt.

The thing is you can call it 'dirty tactics' or whatever to leak the details, but its a symptom of a much, much larger problem - THE EU HAVE ALL THE POWER. They don't HAVE to play fair. It is completely illogical to suggest that the UK somehow holds all the cards, and only the Consevratives can move forward with that strategy. Its worrying if as this report suggests (which I admit could be a biased point of view, but heck the Tories are doing everything cloak and dagger so I'll take any inside chat going) May believes that bluster.

Subject: Brexit

Benzin wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:What confuses me is the claim that the eu has more to lose as we import more from them. But doesn't that just mean that it's going to cost us a lot more to import? We aren't going to find other sources, in the short term anyway. So Irish farm goods, French wine and German cars will just cost us more. Whether or not we will buy a lot less we don't know yet.

What you're forgetting is that they need us more than we need them...



Apparently...

Obviously. The UK thrived before we joined. That's why had to beg to be let in after being bailed out by the IMF and being turned down twice. Everyone was just jealous of our incredible, independent economy. Our candle industry especially was booming.

Meep wrote:Subject: Brexit

Benzin wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:What confuses me is the claim that the eu has more to lose as we import more from them. But doesn't that just mean that it's going to cost us a lot more to import? We aren't going to find other sources, in the short term anyway. So Irish farm goods, French wine and German cars will just cost us more. Whether or not we will buy a lot less we don't know yet.

What you're forgetting is that they need us more than we need them...



Apparently...

Obviously. The UK thrived before we joined. That's why had to beg to be let in after being bailed out by the IMF and being turned down twice. Everyone was just jealous of our incredible, independent economy. Our candle industry especially was booming.

We kicked the Germans asses in World War 2. That's gotta count for something

Squinty wrote:

Meep wrote:Subject: Brexit

Benzin wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:What confuses me is the claim that the eu has more to lose as we import more from them. But doesn't that just mean that it's going to cost us a lot more to import? We aren't going to find other sources, in the short term anyway. So Irish farm goods, French wine and German cars will just cost us more. Whether or not we will buy a lot less we don't know yet.

What you're forgetting is that they need us more than we need them...



Apparently...

Obviously. The UK thrived before we joined. That's why had to beg to be let in after being bailed out by the IMF and being turned down twice. Everyone was just jealous of our incredible, independent economy. Our candle industry especially was booming.

We helped Russia and America kicked the Germans asses in World War 2. That's gotta count for something

We ran an empire for hundreds of years, we can do it again!!!1!!!!!!

Reports saying that the exit bill has now risen to 100 billion.

Squinty wrote:Reports saying that the exit bill has now risen to 100 billion.

That's £1 for every time May says "strong and stable".

Squinty wrote:Reports saying that the exit bill has now risen to 100 billion.

From reading the news this is coming from member countries attempting to maximise the UK's liabilities and saying we get to keep nothing like any EU owned real estate.
How much of that is true is another matter, but 100bn does seem like a bit of a piss take even as a remainer.