Denster wrote:Moggy wrote:Denster wrote:Moggy wrote:Denster wrote:What has to be negotiated is a deal that hopefully suits both parties.
Theresa May can't even negotiate with the DUP, she's got no strawberry floating chance with the entire EU.
I'm sorry but the ship has sailed. You really need to start dealing with it and move on.
No, we don't need to. If you think something is wrong then you shouldn't just sit back and accept it. Even if all you do is moan on an internet forum, you should do so if you want to.
I also imagine you would be singing a different tune if your strong and stable leader hadn't said Brexit means Brexit.
No. Actually. I accepted the democratic will of the people. I was disappointed and dismayed for all the same reasons you were. I've just dealt with it better because accepting reality is a much healthier option. Nothing to do with May saying Brexit means Brexit. At all.
And it doesn't matter if you think it's wrong Moggy - you and I and DMl and Karl all know it's probably wrong - but the result is not going to change. That's my point. The two main parties are supporting it.
I get your point. I have acknowledged plenty of times that Brexit is almost certainly going to happen.
Where we differ is you seem to think people should put up and shut up. Which I don’t think is right. The only think Remain supporters have left is to make their feelings known, to keep awareness of the dangers of Brexit up and to keep the pressure on politicians. Because otherwise we go down the road that the likes of Farage want.
You haven’t dealt with it better, you have rolled over and accepted defeat.
Again with this.
That's based on the assumption that enough fuss and moaning and the decision will be reversed or the process to do that will be set in motion. It isn't going to happen. You are all basically railing against something that has already been decided. It isn't going to be overturned.
Arguing it was wrong or based on lies or whatever is just a gigantic waste of time. It's done.
You don’t think public opinion ever changes a governments mind? Your own Tory party has done enough u-turns on policy over the last few years to show that they do indeed change their minds if they think there will be enough public outcry.
But you are missing the point yet again. I accept that the country is going to end up going through Brexit, there is little we can do to stop it. But the method of Brexit is absolutely up for grabs and people should be making their thoughts and desires clear to put pressure on the government to do the right thing for the country, rather than what is right for Rupert Murdoch, Nigel Farage and the hard right Tories.
Roll over and accept it by all means Denny, but you are the one wasting your time if you think you can silence people from discussing Brexit in a dedicated Brexit thread.