Brexit

Denster wrote:Much has been made of the idiots who won the referendum with their 'idiot' view on issues but you know who are as much to blame. Us. The remain voters who just assumed we'd win. The remain voters who assumed we would win and didn't vote because they were complacent or smug or just idle.

And all you moaners in here? What did you actually do? Did you go and volunteer? Deliver leaflets or canvass voters? Or any of the things that could have tipped it?

Of course not. You just posted in here. And then bemoaned the result.

I honestly think if all those who actually wanted to remain had made more of an effort - we'd have walked that referendum.

I don't think it's particularly helpful to blame Remain-leaning individuals for not distributing enough leaflets. The official Britain Stronger in Europe campaign - which certainly had the resources to win - ought to have been more positive, and that misstep stems from its leadership and the personal machinations of the politicians supporting it. You build positive grass-roots campaigns by offering positive messaging from a position of leadership (see Corbyn's GE campaign), generally not the other way around.

If you want to assign blame for the poor profile of Remain I think it mostly lies with Cameron and - to be fair - Corbyn. Neither galvanised their voters into the hard-wearing Remain core they ought to have been.

I still don't see why you insist on calling us out as 'moaners.' In a democracy it's everyone's right to whinge about stuff they don't like. If you have to accept what your government is doing - with a mandate or otherwise, and I remind you the mandate for a hard Brexit is at best paper-thin at this point - or be branded a useless traitor, then you don't really live in a free society.

It's not blaming. Just pointing out that it's not all down to the idiots who voted to leave for stupid reasons or because they listened to the drivel on offer.

We're in complete agreement that the Remain campaign was a bit crap.

Denster wrote:It's not blaming. Just pointing out that it's not all down to the idiots who voted to leave for stupid reasons or because they listened to the drivel on offer.

Not all votes no, but seen as it was a very very close finish you could argue that the idiots that didn't know what they were voting for, why they were votin, believed the lies etc. are what tipped it over the edge and made it a slim win.

Had there not been out right lies from Leave at 350 million, turkey, increases in crime etc. those people wouldn't have voted to rid us of the evil EU and so it would have been a lose for leave.

In lighter news...

The Daily Mash wrote:THE prime minister has caused chaos at a Tesco checkout after being unable to do a deal where she handed over money for goods.

May was spotted at the Tesco Express on Bridge Street promising cashiers that she had shopped with ‘humility’ and her basket contained groceries that were ‘right for Britain’, but refusing to discuss payment.

City worker Joanna Kramer said: “It was definitely her. She was doing her stare.

“They kept telling her the bill was £15.34 and asking if she had a debit card, and she’d just repeat that ‘this early in negotiations was not the time to show her hand’.

“The cashier offered to put some things back if she couldn’t afford them, but she refused because she had committed to deliver these specific items to the people.”

Kramer added: “Then she just stood there, saying nothing, ignoring all suggestions that she leave.

“I left after 10 minutes. She’s probably still there.”

Great stuff.

I agree that the Remain campaign was crap. That’s not on us though, there is no need for people that are not associated with political parties to go out posting leaflets. I did a little more than just post here, but it’s not up to me to run the campaign that the Prime Minister himself wanted to win.

I presume on the basis of that argument that Denster is taking responsibility for the failure of the Tories at the general election? Did you not put up enough posters Denny?

Denster wrote:It's not blaming. Just pointing out that it's not all down to the idiots who voted to leave for stupid reasons or because they listened to the drivel on offer.

Well it kind of is down to them isn’t it? If somebody voted to leave for a stupid reason or because they believed lies (that were constantly being debunked during the campaign) then that’s on them. The majority (I think it was well over 80%) of the country is now online, it’s not hard to do a quick bit of research for yourself. If somebody choses to believe something because Boris sticks it on the side of a bus, then that’s their fault (as well as Boris’s of course!).

That’s why it will be hilarious in a couple of years when Brexit really starts to bite the fools that voted for it.

It won't be hilarious on here.

Denster wrote:It won't be hilarious on here.

It will be when we are laughing and joking at the Welsh/Cornish/Northern poor people that are starving to death and crying that they have no jobs and/or less money and that they wish they listened to their betters.

I don't think I will get any vindication if this does go tits up. I'll be getting it in the pocket. I'm a single bloke with a new mortgage, I lose my job and I would be absolutely strawberry floated.

I would rather we didn't do this due to the risk. But hey ho.

Denster wrote:It won't be hilarious on here.

It will be for me.

twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/877553940908449793

Is this true?

This guy is an editor at The Sun so, you know.

Cuttooth wrote:

twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/877553940908449793

Is this true?

This guy is an editor at The Sun so, you know.

The problem is that this will only block new laws in the UK but won't necessarily block actually leaving the EU now that Article 50 has already been triggered.
It's not an ability to block leaving or possibly not even the terms of the deal.

If it is a vote to block the terms of the deal then suddenly the Scottish Parliament will be blamed for us crashing out with no deal because they blocked it.
It's basically a concession that also allows the Conservative leadership at the time to use the Scottish Parliament, or more precisely the SNP, as scapegoats.

So it's about potentially blocking the deal then. Great political editor they've got there.

Jam-Master Jay wrote:

Glowy69 wrote:https://amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/brexit-supporter-voted-to-take-back-control-but-ca/

Absolute gold. I am going out on a limb and saying most leave voters are like this. Although all this does is makes me angry again that all voters where led by lies and bullshit

I love james o' brian

That's so strawberry floating depressing.

EU superstate
Its a superstate
Facist superstate
Theyve gone from free trade to a superstate.

Whats the opposite of super

DUP have reportedly asked for 2 billion pounds, for infrastructure projects

Squinty wrote:DUP have reportedly asked for 2 billion pounds, for infrastructure projects

Nice

Oh gooseberry fool, I thought this was the election thread.

I'm very confused.

To be fair to the DUP they are going to need that money to pay for the tarmac on the 4000 new marching roads.

So £200million is the going rate for votes in Parliament? Bit steep.