Brexit

Liam Fox shouldn't even have a political career, the corrupt bloated little chancer. He's the kind of cuntlord the nazis would have made Prime Minister if they conquered us.

UK business leaders to call for indefinite delay in leaving single market

Lagamorph wrote:UK business leaders to call for indefinite delay in leaving single market

I believe that it's in the rules that an extention can be agreed negotiation period. We can agree to go past the two years with the existing trade arrangements.

Question Time: "The Conservatives thought Brexit was going to be a walk in the park whereas it's ended up a walk in the cemetery"

Laughed my head off.

Question Time. Burgon with the bare faced cheek to claim Labour campaigned passionately for Remain. He fooled no one.

If you ignore the SNP wasnt labour the party that converted the most of their traditional voters to vote remain? I'm only going by memory, but I'm pretty sure it turned out that most Labour voters voting leave was false

It's a pretty hard statistic to measure

BID0 wrote:If you ignore the SNP wasnt labour the party that converted the most of their traditional voters to vote remain? I'm only going by memory, but I'm pretty sure it turned out that most Labour voters voting leave was false

It's a pretty hard statistic to measure

My memory of weeks after the referendum was a lot of anger and frustration at Corbyn for not being a passionate remainer and that if he had played a bigger role in supporting Remain, the campaign would have done better.

I don't know if there are reliable statistics on how Labour voters voted overall, but even if most voted to remain, the Labour Party itself didn't come across as "passionately remain" which makes sense given the top 2 in charge are closet Brexiters.

What we know is working-class voters voted Leave in significant numbers i.e lower social groups, lower incomes, lower education voters and much larger numbers in the North too. Those aren't statistically likely to be Tory voters.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:UK business leaders to call for indefinite delay in leaving single market

I believe that it's in the rules that an extention can be agreed negotiation period. We can agree to go past the two years with the existing trade arrangements.

Trouble is both sides have to agree. I'd imagine that the EU (all 27 countries as well!) will not be looking too fondly at an application for an extension when the UK triggered Article 50 and then immediately wasted months pissing about with an unnecessary general election.

Grumpy David wrote:

BID0 wrote:If you ignore the SNP wasnt labour the party that converted the most of their traditional voters to vote remain? I'm only going by memory, but I'm pretty sure it turned out that most Labour voters voting leave was false

It's a pretty hard statistic to measure

My memory of weeks after the referendum was a lot of anger and frustration at Corbyn for not being a passionate remainer and that if he had played a bigger role in supporting Remain, the campaign would have done better.

I don't know if there are reliable statistics on how Labour voters voted overall, but even if most voted to remain, the Labour Party itself didn't come across as "passionately remain" which makes sense given the top 2 in charge are closet Brexiters.

What we know is working-class voters voted Leave in significant numbers i.e lower social groups, lower incomes, lower education voters and much larger numbers in the North too. Those aren't statistically likely to be Tory voters.

I think that was just the papers

Not accurate but about the best we are going to get:

The vote on Britain's membership of the European Union cut across party lines, with significant division within Britain's main political parties. Conservatives voted to Leave, 61% to 39%. Labour voters (65%) and Liberal Democrats (68%) largely voted for Remain but significant minorities went for Leave. Only UKIP, where 95% voted for Leave, and the Greens, where 80% voted for Remain, avoided significant internal divisions on the vote.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted/

The Remain campaign was headed up by David Cameron (Conservative) and he and his team were the ones who chose the message for remaining.

Only UKIP and Greens were the two parties to convert most of their voters to either side of the debate (which is to be expected as they're the far edges of each end of the political spectrum)

BID0 wrote:

Grumpy David wrote:

BID0 wrote:If you ignore the SNP wasnt labour the party that converted the most of their traditional voters to vote remain? I'm only going by memory, but I'm pretty sure it turned out that most Labour voters voting leave was false

It's a pretty hard statistic to measure

My memory of weeks after the referendum was a lot of anger and frustration at Corbyn for not being a passionate remainer and that if he had played a bigger role in supporting Remain, the campaign would have done better.

I don't know if there are reliable statistics on how Labour voters voted overall, but even if most voted to remain, the Labour Party itself didn't come across as "passionately remain" which makes sense given the top 2 in charge are closet Brexiters.

What we know is working-class voters voted Leave in significant numbers i.e lower social groups, lower incomes, lower education voters and much larger numbers in the North too. Those aren't statistically likely to be Tory voters.

I think that was just the papers

Not accurate but about the best we are going to get:

The vote on Britain's membership of the European Union cut across party lines, with significant division within Britain's main political parties. Conservatives voted to Leave, 61% to 39%. Labour voters (65%) and Liberal Democrats (68%) largely voted for Remain but significant minorities went for Leave. Only UKIP, where 95% voted for Leave, and the Greens, where 80% voted for Remain, avoided significant internal divisions on the vote.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted/

The Remain campaign was headed up by David Cameron (Conservative) and he and his team were the ones who chose the message for remaining.

Only UKIP and Greens were the two parties to convert most of their voters to either side of the debate (which is to be expected as they're the far edges of each end of the political spectrum)

I would love to know more about the 5% of UKIP voters that voted Remain.

Moggy wrote:

BID0 wrote:

Grumpy David wrote:

BID0 wrote:If you ignore the SNP wasnt labour the party that converted the most of their traditional voters to vote remain? I'm only going by memory, but I'm pretty sure it turned out that most Labour voters voting leave was false

It's a pretty hard statistic to measure

My memory of weeks after the referendum was a lot of anger and frustration at Corbyn for not being a passionate remainer and that if he had played a bigger role in supporting Remain, the campaign would have done better.

I don't know if there are reliable statistics on how Labour voters voted overall, but even if most voted to remain, the Labour Party itself didn't come across as "passionately remain" which makes sense given the top 2 in charge are closet Brexiters.

What we know is working-class voters voted Leave in significant numbers i.e lower social groups, lower incomes, lower education voters and much larger numbers in the North too. Those aren't statistically likely to be Tory voters.

I think that was just the papers

Not accurate but about the best we are going to get:

The vote on Britain's membership of the European Union cut across party lines, with significant division within Britain's main political parties. Conservatives voted to Leave, 61% to 39%. Labour voters (65%) and Liberal Democrats (68%) largely voted for Remain but significant minorities went for Leave. Only UKIP, where 95% voted for Leave, and the Greens, where 80% voted for Remain, avoided significant internal divisions on the vote.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted/

The Remain campaign was headed up by David Cameron (Conservative) and he and his team were the ones who chose the message for remaining.

Only UKIP and Greens were the two parties to convert most of their voters to either side of the debate (which is to be expected as they're the far edges of each end of the political spectrum)

I would love to know more about the 5% of UKIP voters that voted Remain.

I imagine they took permanent markers with them so their vote couldn't be changed by "the system" and then accidentally marked the wrong box

Moggy wrote:

BID0 wrote:

Grumpy David wrote:

BID0 wrote:If you ignore the SNP wasnt labour the party that converted the most of their traditional voters to vote remain? I'm only going by memory, but I'm pretty sure it turned out that most Labour voters voting leave was false

It's a pretty hard statistic to measure

My memory of weeks after the referendum was a lot of anger and frustration at Corbyn for not being a passionate remainer and that if he had played a bigger role in supporting Remain, the campaign would have done better.

I don't know if there are reliable statistics on how Labour voters voted overall, but even if most voted to remain, the Labour Party itself didn't come across as "passionately remain" which makes sense given the top 2 in charge are closet Brexiters.

What we know is working-class voters voted Leave in significant numbers i.e lower social groups, lower incomes, lower education voters and much larger numbers in the North too. Those aren't statistically likely to be Tory voters.

I think that was just the papers

Not accurate but about the best we are going to get:

The vote on Britain's membership of the European Union cut across party lines, with significant division within Britain's main political parties. Conservatives voted to Leave, 61% to 39%. Labour voters (65%) and Liberal Democrats (68%) largely voted for Remain but significant minorities went for Leave. Only UKIP, where 95% voted for Leave, and the Greens, where 80% voted for Remain, avoided significant internal divisions on the vote.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted/

The Remain campaign was headed up by David Cameron (Conservative) and he and his team were the ones who chose the message for remaining.

Only UKIP and Greens were the two parties to convert most of their voters to either side of the debate (which is to be expected as they're the far edges of each end of the political spectrum)

I would love to know more about the 5% of UKIP voters that voted Remain.

It would make an interesting documentary. I bet their as mad as a bag of spiders.

"I faught remain ment remain in da uk wid fredom from forreners!"

They're racists with a good understanding of business and economics

Hyperion wrote:They're racists with a good understanding of business and economics

"Coming over here, improving our economy, increasing our wealth. The bastards, send them all back where they come from (once they have finished their work)."

Europhiles who really want smoking back in pubs.

I heard some people say they voted Leave as a “strawberry float you” to Cameron.

Maybe these were passionate anti-EU people that wanted to say “strawberry float you” to Farage?

Moggy wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:UK business leaders to call for indefinite delay in leaving single market

I believe that it's in the rules that an extention can be agreed negotiation period. We can agree to go past the two years with the existing trade arrangements.

Trouble is both sides have to agree. I'd imagine that the EU (all 27 countries as well!) will not be looking too fondly at an application for an extension when the UK triggered Article 50 and then immediately wasted months pissing about with an unnecessary general election.

That's my concern. In theory there's no need to panic as we can have longer than two years if we all agree but I can only see us pissing of the rest of the EU to a point where they won agree.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:UK business leaders to call for indefinite delay in leaving single market

I believe that it's in the rules that an extention can be agreed negotiation period. We can agree to go past the two years with the existing trade arrangements.

Trouble is both sides have to agree. I'd imagine that the EU (all 27 countries as well!) will not be looking too fondly at an application for an extension when the UK triggered Article 50 and then immediately wasted months pissing about with an unnecessary general election.

That's my concern. In theory there's no need to panic as we can have longer than two years if we all agree but I can only see us pissing of the rest of the EU to a point where they won agree.

EU will agree to a small extension if one at all. People keep forgetting that it's in the interests of the EU to make an example of the UK to influence other countries thinking about leaving. The Japan deal while possibly years off, is one of many MANY reasons to panic. I'm aghast at the ineptitude of the UK government,.

David Davis, the UK's chief negotiator said this a year ago.

“Post Brexit a UK-German deal would include free access for their cars and industrial goods, in exchange for a deal on everything else,” he said on 26 May this year.

“Similar deals would be reached with other key EU nations. France would want to protect £3 billion of food and wine exports. Italy, its £1 billion fashion exports. Poland its £3 billion manufacturing exports.”

I mean..... WTF?

Photek wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:UK business leaders to call for indefinite delay in leaving single market

I believe that it's in the rules that an extention can be agreed negotiation period. We can agree to go past the two years with the existing trade arrangements.

Trouble is both sides have to agree. I'd imagine that the EU (all 27 countries as well!) will not be looking too fondly at an application for an extension when the UK triggered Article 50 and then immediately wasted months pissing about with an unnecessary general election.

That's my concern. In theory there's no need to panic as we can have longer than two years if we all agree but I can only see us pissing of the rest of the EU to a point where they won agree.

EU will agree to a small extension if one at all. People keep forgetting that it's in the interests of the EU to make an example of the UK to influence other countries thinking about leaving.

Are you missing out a word there? You think they will agree to a small extension or you think they will not agree to one at all?