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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
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80%
Leave the European Union
57
20%
 
Total votes: 279
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PostRe: Brexit
by jimbojango » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:40 pm

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jimbojango wrote:So I think this whole undertaking is wrong, I didn't want Brexit, it is clearly damaging to all reasonable interests and the improved quality of life for the population. Already more resource is being wasted in the efforts of a minority government to appease another minority of the population that was misinformed about what they were voting for.

Short of going full on civil war / vigilante, or even more extreme - joining the Liberal Democrats, what can I do?

I've seen plenty of information about areas of my work already suffering - I'm in the NHS, and recruitment, research and development, education, commodity and supplies prices, support services - all those areas have seen negative impacts of varying degrees. Many see it worsening, quite quickly. It feels absurd that if something is doing harm you keep doing it. Why? What is this for? Who gains form this?


The majority of this forum feels the same. We disagree with Brexit, we don’t want Brexit but we can’t really see there is much we can do about it.

This country is heading down the toilet thanks to a massive (and strawberry floating stupid) political gamble from Cameron. Cheers you butter faced ig strawberry floating banana split!


It is the feeling of utter powerlessness to stop it that is depressing though. What can we do? It seems wasteful to have to wait for the outcome of another election, or wait for this car crash to play out before the idea dies. I think this is an actual issue I'd be motivated to take direct action on, join something, anything.

Three of my colleagues are already planning on leaving, more are thinking about it. This is not at all an exception amongst a highly trained, mobile, and economically advantaged wokforce. They just don't see a future for themselves or their families in the UK now. I like it here - it's a lovely bit of the planet really and a big part of that for me is the broad mix of cultures and nationalities I get to interact with. I'd like to stay, but it looking like a slow death.

Is this how people felt during things like the first world war, knowing it was wrong and damaging for all involved, but having to carry on as a group of horrible self interested people misled the greater population?

Sorry for the moaning - I guess that makes me a re-moaner, but it helps having this place to talk with some people who seem reasonable. You can't go near Facebook with this sort of stuff or it escalates into hysterics and insults in minutes.

Want to make an EU GRcade army? We'll need a logo, and some t-shirts. Maybe some fancy pint glasses. Stickers?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:48 pm

It is depressing, but there isn’t really much we can do at the moment. England and Wales are basically a two party state (Scotland and N Ireland have other serious options) and both parties wanted to press ahead with hard Brexit. The Lib Dems/Greens/whoever all wanted to offer something different, but they were never going to be in a positon where they would be running the show.

Assuming it goes ahead as planned in 2022, the next election will be too late to do anything, we will be leaving the EU in 2019. 2022 is likely to be an election that tries to repair the damage, but I can’t see how any government will be able to repair it once we are into a hard Brexit.

I have never been much of one for patriotism but Brexit (and the shite England football team ;) ) has killed what little I felt. I am disgusted with this country and the narrow minded, xenophobic arseholes that inhabit it.

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:05 pm

Well tourists are loving the UK at least...

BBC News wrote:Weak pound sees surge in tourists visiting UK

The weakness of sterling was behind a surge in the number of tourists visiting the UK in the first three months of 2017, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

The number of holidaymakers coming to the UK rose by 21.1% - although the number of business visitors declined.

Overall there were a record 8.3 million visits in the quarter, a rise of nearly 10% on the same period in 2016.
The visitors spent £4.4bn while in the country, also a record amount.

But at the same time the fall in the value of the pound did not discourage Britons from travelling overseas.

UK residents made 14.1 million trips abroad over the three months, a rise of 8.1% on 2016.

The decline in sterling makes it cheaper for foreign visitors to come to the UK, but more expensive for Britons going the other way.

Brits abroad

The number of American visitors was particularly significant. Their numbers were up by 16%, while their spending grew 29% to £604m.

There were a record 54,000 visits from Chinese nationals, who spent a record £91m, and there was strong growth in the number of Australian and French visitors too.

Wales appears to have been one of the most popular destinations, with the number of overnight visits increasing by 28%.

But the "visitor balance of payments" remains tilted against the UK.

While visitors spent £4.4bn in Britain over the quarter, Britons spent nearly twice as much - £8.6bn - on trips abroad. a figure that has risen by 11.7% over the past year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40592623

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:15 pm

It isn’t going to be long before those American tourists are coming here on their gap years to help us build mudhut villages and dig wells for water. ;)

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PostRe: Brexit
by Hexx » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:20 pm



:fp:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Tineash » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:44 pm

Whatever UK Gov think they're doing with the EU citizen's rights issue, it's really not strawberry floating working.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:59 pm

Bargaining chips?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Alvin Flummux » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:44 pm

Moggy wrote:It isn’t going to be long before those American tourists are coming here on their gap years to help us build mudhut villages and dig wells for water. ;)


It won't be long before poor British folk will be forced to perform humiliating tribal Morris Dances before groups of gawking Yanks, in the hopes of being thrown some scraps from their burgeoning nothingburgers.

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PostRe: Brexit
by captain red dog » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:25 pm

Errkal wrote:
Moggy wrote:I guess our hope has to be that this is so extreme that Corbyn finally grows a pair and gets his MPs to vote against a Brexit bill. I would imagine the SNP/Greens/Lib Dems will be opposed to it. Could we see enough pro EU/non bastard Tories rebel against their weak leader to stop it going through?

I would think he would be based on the Human right stuff. He may be anti-EU but he can't be anti-rights etc.

He has consistently said he wants to prioritise rights and jobs. Voting against Brexit is political suicide, no serious party is going to offer that at this stage.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:37 pm

captain red dog wrote:
Errkal wrote:
Moggy wrote:I guess our hope has to be that this is so extreme that Corbyn finally grows a pair and gets his MPs to vote against a Brexit bill. I would imagine the SNP/Greens/Lib Dems will be opposed to it. Could we see enough pro EU/non bastard Tories rebel against their weak leader to stop it going through?

I would think he would be based on the Human right stuff. He may be anti-EU but he can't be anti-rights etc.

He has consistently said he wants to prioritise rights and jobs. Voting against Brexit is political suicide, no serious party is going to offer that at this stage.


A strong leader of a "serious" party should be fighting against Brexit or at least May's vision of it.

1/3 of the country voted for Brexit
1/3 of the country voted to Remain
1/3 of the country didn't vote

There's plenty of scope there for a party to oppose Brexit and to gain support if they make the right arguments.

Unfortunately we have no leaders that can do that. May flip flopped to Brexit to gain power, Corbyn detests the EU and we are a two party state.

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:35 pm


LE BASTARDS.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:45 am

It will definitely be exactly that and the Mail won't be exaggerating or making anything up at all.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:35 am

Here we go. Starting with the 'Brexit failed because of' blame.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Return_of_the_STAR » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:48 am

Taking the story for what it is i don't believe the Daily Mail are making anything up here. They like to sensationalise their stories as normal but the actual story is a leaked memory from a Government Envoy who was reporting back his feelings from speaking to various people in industry and the french government. It is essentially his opinion and not factual but I expect a number of European countries to attempt to take advantage of Brexit. The city of london is the prized asset in European banking. You would be a fool not to attempt to lure some of the companies and services away if you had a chance. It could very well be the case that many of these companies need to either move or more likely set up subsidiaries in the EU so i'm sure France will be after them just like many of the other EU countries will be.

In the Daily Mail's perfect world of Brexit, nothing here is going to be affected and it will only be a problem if the EU makes it a problem for us. Obviously that is not the reality.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:30 am

They are not "making it up" but that headline is massively misleading and sensationalist.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:31 am

If only somebody had warned people this might happen before the referendum.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:37 am

"French plot to wreck Britain and destroy the City"

Actually means:

"French decide to compete with a non-EU state in the financial sector"

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PostRe: Brexit
by captain red dog » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:59 am

I can't see France wrecking the city. Another European nation maybe, but the Labour laws in France are frankly ridiculous. Unless they deregulate massively (can't see that happening) it won't be them taking jobs from the city.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Rex Kramer » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:08 am

It won't happen because the government wouldn't allow it to happen. They'd just lump on tax break after tax break to ensure they don't lose this industry. Problem then comes with who fills in the hole in the public purse (here's a hint, you and me).

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:22 am

The government don't have much of a choice. If EU law is that Euro clearing must happen within the EU then there's nothing that the UK Government can do to stop them.

There were attempts to take EU clearing from London several years ago that the UK Government fought in European Court of Justice, and the ECJ only sided with the UK on the basis that it was illegal to discriminate against another EU member in that way. We're now losing that protection.

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