Brexit

Photek wrote:

Moggy wrote:The EU has free movement, but that doesn’t mean any member state has to accept literally everyone.

A few EU countries demand you to have a job and a place to reside with proof or you're sent back to the EU country you came from, this law was and IS available to the UK as it is with any other EU country. The UK didn't impose it because on the whole, a lax immigration law increased the supply of labour which was needed.

Moggy wrote:

Photek wrote:

Moggy wrote:The EU has free movement, but that doesn’t mean any member state has to accept literally everyone.

A few EU countries demand you to have a job and a place to reside with proof or you're sent back to the EU country you came from, this law was and IS available to the UK as it is with any other EU country. The UK didn't impose it because on the whole, a lax immigration law increased the supply of labour which was needed.

Yep. People forget that it's free movement of workers not free movement of layabouts.

Photek wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Photek wrote:

Moggy wrote:The EU has free movement, but that doesn’t mean any member state has to accept literally everyone.

A few EU countries demand you to have a job and a place to reside with proof or you're sent back to the EU country you came from, this law was and IS available to the UK as it is with any other EU country. The UK didn't impose it because on the whole, a lax immigration law increased the supply of labour which was needed.

Yep. People forget that it's free movement of workers not free movement of layabouts.

Precisely, seeing that immigration topped all of the polled Leave voters its quite startling that this wasn't on the side of a bus!

jawafour wrote:

Hexx wrote:...I still can't past

"Stop talking about theories and suspicions. Let's talk about facts!"
**Here are some facts**
"Stop talking about facts, let's talk about what might be happening behind the scenes!"
...

Hexx, man you've raised this before and I responded; I agreed with you about David Davis' comments on the Andrew Marr Show and the German car industry comments, and I've shared details on EU law agreement voting and on fishing rights. The negotiations for any trade or movement agreements will be fluid and the details will probably only become clear at the last moment. In the interim we will see plenty of newspaper articles, online discussion and TV shows debating the details - and most will, quite naturally, be bending the facts to suit their position. It'll be great to get to the point where we know what the detail of the deal(s) are so that we can debate our views of the pros and cons.

The Spongebob pic, whilst humerous ( ), could be viewed as a bit of a brush-off. If you try to portray me as some kind of happy-clappy guy who only sees the best in things, it would be easy for me to repond in kind with a pic of a guy in cloths carrying "The end of the world is nigh" banner. Lets avoid getting ourselves into that .

Moggy wrote:

Squinty wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Squinty wrote:This seems like a witch-hunt and I'm not sure I like it.

How is it a witch hunt?

I wasn't sure of the tone of some of the previous posts. I could point them out but I'm not going to, I don't think that's fair to do to anyone involved. The fact that everyone in the thread seems to have just rounded on the guy also makes me a bit wary.

Maybe I have misconstrued this. Fair enough if so.

I think you have misunderstood it. There are very few Brexit supporters on this forum (and there are very few Jawa’s in the world as a whole). People were not attacking him or ganging up on him, he is just a lone voice amongst a lot of people that disagree with him.

There is no solution to that really, either people with differing opinions shouldn’t post, or people should not reply to those with differing opinions. Neither of those sound good options to me.

Squinty wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Squinty wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Squinty wrote:This seems like a witch-hunt and I'm not sure I like it.

How is it a witch hunt?

I wasn't sure of the tone of some of the previous posts. I could point them out but I'm not going to, I don't think that's fair to do to anyone involved. The fact that everyone in the thread seems to have just rounded on the guy also makes me a bit wary.

Maybe I have misconstrued this. Fair enough if so.

I think you have misunderstood it. There are very few Brexit supporters on this forum (and there are very few Jawa’s in the world as a whole). People were not attacking him or ganging up on him, he is just a lone voice amongst a lot of people that disagree with him.

There is no solution to that really, either people with differing opinions shouldn’t post, or people should not reply to those with differing opinions. Neither of those sound good options to me.

That's fair enough. As Cora pointed out, Jawa seems to be still posting, so I guess he's alright with all the attention he's getting.

I will go back to white knighting other people. Like Chairman Mao and Adolf Hitler.

jawafour wrote:

Hexx wrote:Doesn't quite work that way though. Leavers have spent ages saying (putting simple) "We'll get a good deal despite all the odds because of X"

X is shown to be a complete fallacy as predict.

You don't need to see the final result to go "Told you so" ...

I don't believe the government has guaranteed to achieve a good deal. The desire to do so is there, but whether it happens is another thing. There is the possibility that no deal will be reached, which would be a problem. In the meantime I feel it's better to take a positive view... not to dismiss the concerns nor the challenges, but merely because taking a negative viewpoint isn't really going to help the process. Sure, there are tough challenges ahead but we'll need to have our ideas lined up and manage the bumps as they arise.

At this stage, I won't be drawn into saying the deal is good nor bad... we just don't know. Whilst the actual referendum result and the deal agreement signing are binary situations, the path of reaching them has many different facets. If a deal is reached I expect it will contain some aspects that "Leavers" like and dislike, and some aspects that "Remainers" like and dislike.

Photek wrote:Currently a row over here about our border, basically we are saying "you guys are changing things not us so you come up with a solution" and on the other side, Ulster Says Noooo!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40750999

The Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) described the suggestion as "madness".

DUP MP Sir Jeffrey Donaldson told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "That's just not going to happen.
"There is no way that the DUP would go for an option that put a border between one part of the UK and another
.
"That would be a bit like saying we're going to create a border between California and the rest of the USA.
"I think what Dublin needs to think about is innovative ways in which it can move its market closer to the UK."

Sir Jeffrey claimed that 64% of goods exported by the Republic of Ireland go to the UK.
But that figure is incorrect - exports to the UK amounted to 12.8% of trade in 2016, according to the Irish government.

jawafour wrote:DML, Photek... it feels like you only want to read posts that occupy the extreme ends of the spectrum. I have already recognised the binary verdict of the referendum, but now that we have passed that point I would be surprised if folk liked everything - or disliked everything - about the multiple issues that will be a part of the upcoming deals and agreements.

Rex Kramer wrote:I vote we replace David Davies with Jawa. We need someone completely neutral on the subject to lead our negotiations, that way we'll get the only decision that'll appeal to all sides.

Viewed from Brussels, the U.K. seemed so ill-prepared in the early rounds of Brexit negotiations that some EU countries think it must be a trap.